The Shocking Pagan Origin of CHRISTMAS!

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The Shocking Pagan Origin of CHRISTMAS!

What is the TRUE ORIGIN of Christmas? Where did it come from? Did you know Yeshua the Messiah was born nowhere NEAR December 25, but that was the "birth day" of the sun- god, "Sol Invictus" or "Mithras"? Did you know December 25 was the concluding day of the pagan winter festival called the "Saturnalia"? Where did "Santa Claus" come from? The "Christmas tree"? How did this pagan feast become connected with "Christianity"? Here is an amazing "whale of a tale"!

http://www.hope-of-israel.org/cmas1.htm



"For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God for ever and ever.".

Micah 4:5
 

Elia

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I observe the Biblical festivals of God, like Pesach, day of atonement, feast of tabernacles, etc.

Why would anybody want to throw these BIBLICALLY ordained festivals overboard and replace them with paganism??



"For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God for ever and ever.".

Micah 4:5
 

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The Shocking Pagan Origin of CHRISTMAS!

What is the TRUE ORIGIN of Christmas? Where did it come from? Did you know Yeshua the Messiah was born nowhere NEAR December 25, but that was the "birth day" of the sun- god, "Sol Invictus" or "Mithras"? Did you know December 25 was the concluding day of the pagan winter festival called the "Saturnalia"? Where did "Santa Claus" come from? The "Christmas tree"? How did this pagan feast become connected with "Christianity"? Here is an amazing "whale of a tale"!

http://www.hope-of-israel.org/cmas1.htm



"For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God for ever and ever.".

Micah 4:5

So what. We celebrate the birth of the Son of God, our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ on December 25th, it doesn't matter to Christians what the real date of birth is. Go enjoy all your festivals and observances, they get you nowhere.
 

Elia

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So what. We celebrate the birth of the Son of God, our Lord and Saviour on December 25th, it doesn't matter to Christians what the real date of birth is. Go enjoy all your festivals and observances, they get you nowhere.

Bs"d

Why is it that you need an evergreen tree which the pagans used to worship to sit around? You think that will get you anywhere?

Can anybody in his right mind deny that the Christians are lawless pagans?


Look here what will happen in the days of the messiah:

"16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles."
Zech 14

Clear what? The whole world will observe that Biblical festival.

And you think that in the mean time it is OK to practice paganism??



"For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God for ever and ever.".

Micah 4:5
 

patrick jane

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Why is it that you need an evergreen tree which the pagans used to worship to sit around? You think that will get you anywhere?

Can anybody in his right mind deny that the Christians are lawless pagans?


And you think that in the mean time it is OK
to practice paganism??

Yes, it's ok
 

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The Shocking Pagan Origin of CHRISTMAS!

What is the TRUE ORIGIN of Christmas? Where did it come from? Did you know Yeshua the Messiah was born nowhere NEAR December 25, but that was the "birth day" of the sun- god, "Sol Invictus" or "Mithras"? Did you know December 25 was the concluding day of the pagan winter festival called the "Saturnalia"? Where did "Santa Claus" come from? The "Christmas tree"? How did this pagan feast become connected with "Christianity"? Here is an amazing "whale of a tale"!

http://www.hope-of-israel.org/cmas1.htm



"For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God for ever and ever.".

Micah 4:5
Saturnalia is tied to the winter solstice, December 21-22, and ended on December 23, not December 25.

A date in December was chosen because of the number of pagan celebrations surrounding the winter solstice, and the church wanted an alternate festival for Christians during that time.

Most of the festivals, like Saturnalia, were festivals of light.
The Jewish festival of Hanukkah was also a festival of light, and served as the source for choosing the 25th day of December as the date of the celebration because Hanukkah is celebrated in December and begins on the 25th day of Kislev.

Many of the Christmas traditions have been stolen/borrowed from the traditions of the pagan winter solstice festivals, including the 12 days of Yule and the Christmas Tree.

Gift giving comes less from pagan traditions and more from the story of the Magi and the gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh presented to the young Jesus when He was about 2 years old living in Nazareth.
 

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The Shocking Pagan Origin of CHRISTMAS!

What is the TRUE ORIGIN of Christmas? Where did it come from? Did you know Yeshua the Messiah was born nowhere NEAR December 25, but that was the "birth day" of the sun- god, "Sol Invictus" or "Mithras"? Did you know December 25 was the concluding day of the pagan winter festival called the "Saturnalia"? Where did "Santa Claus" come from? The "Christmas tree"? How did this pagan feast become connected with "Christianity"? Here is an amazing "whale of a tale"!

http://www.hope-of-israel.org/cmas1.htm



"For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God for ever and ever.".
Micah 4:5
All days are God's. All trees are God's. It doesn't matter what 'days' or 'trees' mean to a pagan or heathen. It matters what it means to me, and it means God:

Psalm 118:24
 

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Babylon came through their land and chopped every tree down. That's why he didn't like Christmas.

Then the Greeks sowed salt in all the fields. That's why he doesnt like Margaritas.

And the Romans tore down the temple. That's why he doesn't like going to church.

We could go on and on but I have egg nog to drink.
 

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The Shocking Pagan Origin of CHRISTMAS!

What is the TRUE ORIGIN of Christmas? Where did it come from? Did you know Yeshua the Messiah was born nowhere NEAR December 25, but that was the "birth day" of the sun- god, "Sol Invictus" or "Mithras"? Did you know December 25 was the concluding day of the pagan winter festival called the "Saturnalia"? Where did "Santa Claus" come from? The "Christmas tree"? How did this pagan feast become connected with "Christianity"? Here is an amazing "whale of a tale"!

http://www.hope-of-israel.org/cmas1.htm



"For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God for ever and ever.".

Micah 4:5

Well yes of course Christmas has pagan origins. When Christianity moved into what were pagan lands, the people adopted the new religion but wanted to keep their beloved traditions, so they simply adapted them to fit Christianity. I don't see the big problem with that. By allowing native peoples to hold onto their traditions, Christian missionaries and rulers made the transition from paganism to Christianity much easier and not as much of a culture shock for those involved. It was an excellent idea, as it has led to Christianity being one of the dominant religions of the world, and the most widespread religion of all-time
 
All days are God's. All trees are God's. It doesn't matter what 'days' or 'trees' mean to a pagan or heathen. It matters what it means to me, and it means God:

Psalm 118:24

It's always funny how these people seem to think they're informing everybody of, as if, some newly discovered danger of swallowing a gnat every Christmas season, and they will arrive for Easter, like clockwork, with legalistic implications Jesus only saves, to the extent you agree with Ebenezer Scrooge or shelter your children from hard boiled eggs.

It's stealth legalism, antichristian in terms of trying to diminish grace: what's worse than pagan is trying to ensnare people in false doctrines, in the name of Christ. You see a lot of error on message boards, people trying to inject works and legal bondages into salvation. A lot of them are really the unrepentant (that is if they're not just deceivers or trolls) who hate grace, feel the need for control and to control, need to think they're somebody in God's eye for who they are, what they do or don't do, just like the Scribes and Pharisees, whom the Lord Jesus characterized as from hell.

You'll find striking, real parallels between legalists and people with narcissistic personality disorders, which is many, many people. I believe legalism is just a symptom of those who've not replaced self with the Lord, again, unrepentance, don't really agree with God where they stand, absent the righteousness of Christ: they deign God needs their help.

Anyway, Merry Christmas, all! You who think it pagan, well, maybe that's because there's something pagan about you?

Luke 18

9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Galatians 2

4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

Romans 14

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

P.S. Notice how it's even "shocking" in the title. Really? They show up every Christmas season, like a bad penny, with the same worn information everybody already knows since Constantine, and that's shocking?
 
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Zeke

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The Shocking Pagan Origin of CHRISTMAS!

What is the TRUE ORIGIN of Christmas? Where did it come from? Did you know Yeshua the Messiah was born nowhere NEAR December 25, but that was the "birth day" of the sun- god, "Sol Invictus" or "Mithras"? Did you know December 25 was the concluding day of the pagan winter festival called the "Saturnalia"? Where did "Santa Claus" come from? The "Christmas tree"? How did this pagan feast become connected with "Christianity"? Here is an amazing "whale of a tale"!

http://www.hope-of-israel.org/cmas1.htm



"For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God for ever and ever.".

Micah 4:5

Still works because it's about the death and rebirth not the virgin birth in the house of bread, Virgo. which is where the literal version has him being born, all this is meant to teach about the Son of man becoming a Son of God depicted/shadowed in the observable creation.
 

journey

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ANY day becomes pagan IF you worship false gods. As a contrast: the Lord Jesus Christ is LORD over all days.

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ELIA , DO NOT WASTE YOUR BREATH ON THESE STUBBORN PAGANS.

I have been telling them this for years and they will not Repent until

JESUS, The Messiah, gets here circa 2025 AD.

Revelation 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them,

and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another;

because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
 

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ELIA , DO NOT WASTE YOUR BREATH ON THESE STUBBORN PAGANS.

I have been telling them this for years and they will not Repent until

JESUS, The Messiah, gets here circa 2025 AD.

Revelation 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them,

and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another;

because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

You're right - it's a waste of breath and time - unless the reader is a pagan worshiping false gods. Otherwise, it's false and misleading information for the targeted Christians who celebrate Christmas.
 

brewmama

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The Shocking Pagan Origin of CHRISTMAS!

What is the TRUE ORIGIN of Christmas? Where did it come from? Did you know Yeshua the Messiah was born nowhere NEAR December 25, but that was the "birth day" of the sun- god, "Sol Invictus" or "Mithras"? Did you know December 25 was the concluding day of the pagan winter festival called the "Saturnalia"? Where did "Santa Claus" come from? The "Christmas tree"? How did this pagan feast become connected with "Christianity"? Here is an amazing "whale of a tale"!
http://www.hope-of-israel.org/cmas1...ives/article.php?id=16-10-012-v#ixzz3v7a5iFyh
 

Elia

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All days are God's. All trees are God's. It doesn't matter what 'days' or 'trees' mean to a pagan or heathen. It matters what it means to me, and it means God:

Psalm 118:24

Bs"d

Exactly; what is it that GOD thinks about it?

"And Y-H-W-H spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘The feasts of Y-H-W-H, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts.
3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of Y-H-W-H in all your dwellings.
4 ‘These are the feasts of Y-H-W-H, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at their appointed times. 5 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is Y-H-W-H’s Passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to Y-H-W-H; seven days you must eat unleavened bread. 7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it. 8 But you shall offer an offering made by fire to Y-H-W-H for seven days. The seventh day shall be a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it.’”
Lev 23

So THOSE are the feasts of Y-H-W-H.

As you can see, Christmas is not one of 'm.



"For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God for ever and ever.".

Micah 4:5
 
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