ECT The Righteousness Which is of God

[beloved57]

You are so spiritually blind that you are unable to even understand the verses which you cite:

"And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God" (2 Cor.4:3-4).​

Here we read that the god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers. And the purpose as to why he blinds them is "so that they cannot see the light of the gospel." That means that those who are perishing did indeed at one time have the ability to see the light of the gospel.

After all, it is impossible to blind the minds of anyone to the truth of the gospel unless they have the ability in the first place to see the light of the gospel. The verb form of the word "blind" means to "make blind." It is impossible to "make blind" someone who is already blind.

The Calvinists must believe that the god of this age blinds those who are already blind! That idea is ridiculous.

Here the Lord Jesus illustrates that the word of God works in concert with the Spirit and that union results in life:

"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life" (Jn.6:63).​

We can understand that the gospel also works in concert with the Holy Spirit:

"For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit, and in much assurance" (1 Thess.1:5).​

Even though Paul makes it plain that the gospel comes in much power and in the Holy Spirit the Calvinists say that it is powerless to save anyone unless a person is first "born again."

The Calvinists teach that a person is "born again" or "regenerated" prior to "faith" despite the fact that both Peter and James make it plain that being "born again" happens as a result of faith:

"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God...And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you" (1 Pet.1:23,25).​

"He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created" (Jas.1:18).​

You can't deny it. Them that are lost can't believe the Gospel because it is hidden from them 2 Cor 4:3

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

 

[Interplanner]

You can't deny it. Them that are lost can't believe the Gospel because it is hidden from them 2 Cor 4:3

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

But he wants to split conversions down into tenths of seconds.

 

[beloved57]

But he wants to split conversions down into tenths of seconds.

Dont know what you talking about !

 

[Jerry Shugart]

That means that those who are perishing did indeed at one time have the ability to see the light of the gospel.

No thanks to your conclusion ability Jerry. I won't have you work on my car or HVAC system, either.

You do not even to attempt to prove that anything which I said is in error. Obviously you are unable to do that!

 

[Jerry Shugart]

You can't deny it. Them that are lost can't believe the Gospel because it is hidden from them 2 Cor 4:3

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

The god of this age blinded them so that they cannot see the light of the gospel:

"And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God" (2 Cor.4:3-4).​

If those who were blinded were blind to the truth of the gospel from birth then it would be impossible to blind them. That is because a person must first be able to see to be blinded.

But this is way over your head!

 

[beloved57]

The god of this age blinded them so that they cannot see the light of the gospel:

"And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God" (2 Cor.4:3-4).​

If those who were blinded were blind to the truth of the gospel from birth then it would be impossible to blind them. That is because a person must first be able to see tobe blinded.

But this is way over your head!

Its very simple, the Gospel is hid from them that are lost 2 Cor 4:3 so they cant believe it !

 

[Jerry Shugart]

But he wants to split conversions down into tenths of seconds.

It is the Calvinists who speak of the "logical order" of salvation in contrast to the "temporal." Perhaps that concept is above your understanding?

 

[beloved57]

You do not even to attempt to prove that anything which I said is in error. Obviously you are unable to do that!

You have not proved that anything you said is not error or that its true !

 

[Interplanner]

It is the Calvinists who speak of the "logical order" of salvation in contrast to the "temporal." Perhaps that concept is above your understanding?

You're working on something useless and complicated. when people realize what justification from the debt of their sins is, they believe and are justified and born again. Unless of course they are foolish enough to reject it, and they do. Forget all the rest of the theology crap about it.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

You're working on something useless and complicated.

I am working on something which is useless, and that thing is the garbage taught by the Calvinists.

 

[Interplanner]

I am working on something which is useless, and that thing is the garbage taught by the Calvinists.

Forget them. Just go out and spend time on the lost. Otherwise you are putting things under a microscope and its all dead and dissected.

The world needs to hear that Christ is the Lord and that the debt of their sins can be covered by the righteousness of God, which is what this thread is about. The other stuff is a total waste of effort.