Once again, under what circumstance could rape, murder, abuse ever be okay?
The Religion of Blinding Bluster
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Once again, under what circumstance could rape, murder, abuse ever be okay?
No.
Killing is either a crime or it's justified. The circumstances surrounding it determine which it is.
Murder is the unjustifiable taking of a life, which is what makes it illegal.
Yours may not be, but God's are.
I asked you in order to test your beliefs. It doesn't mean we cannot know absolutely.
So on the one hand, we have you who claims there are no absolutes, and that rape might be ok depending on the circumstance, and that abortion isn't murder.
On the other hand, you have me and pretty much everyone else in this thread telling you that rape is NEVER justifiable, that absolute right and wrong DOES exist, and that abortion is the murder of the most innocent humans on earth.
So again, I ask: What if you're wrong, and we're right?
Mirror, look in it.
My concept of righteousness did not come from myself.
If it had, it wouldn't be very righteous, because I am human, fallible.
Calling our claiming that righteousness is absolute blind bluster is just blind bluster.
You have your interpretations of the Bible and you will answer to God for them. I will answer to God for what I believe He has said and wants.
We don't live in a perfect world and yet God expects us to behave or answer to Him for our disobedience.
Don't make the mistake of thinking God has not ruled in the matter just because you think I may be wrong about what He thinks about it.
All humans have been given a conscience by God. Even the most backward tribes of humans on earth know how to tell right from wrong in some basic areas.
Human governments make laws reflecting general public views of right and wrong. You seem to believe there must always be confusion as to what laws are right and what laws are wrong. I agree that some laws are wrong and should not exist, such as allowing abortion. In those cases, I would go with God, not with human error.
annabenedetti
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While it's rare, and it'll continue to be rare, maybe it's a good reminder that wide ranges of thought are what keep conversations active, and rather than banning PureX you could allow the thread to continue organically until it fades away on its own. He's outnumbered here and it can be a lot, trying to answer multiple people at once, especially when the posts become very parsed. If he gets to the point where he doesn't want to engage anymore the thread will fade, but that doesn't make him a troll.
ok doser
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He's not a troll.
He's a self-impressed retard. And a very amusing self-impressed retard at that.
It goes a lot further than that. Missionaries have been told many times when they first arrived at very remote villages how someone in the tribe had been given dreams years before about how white men would come and teach them about Jesus. The entire village would be baptized because the Holy Spirit had prepared the way for truth to be received. Those dreams changed the entire course of these villages even before the missionaries arrived.
Rev. Duke got his 5 minutes of fame.Trying to have statues of famous Americans removed creates division in America and those forcing their modern views against long-held traditions should expect eruptions among the citizens. Wiser and more considerate individuals will not be so bold as to suggest the destruction of traditions and values held by Americans for decades or even hundreds of years.
Proposal to Remove Washington, Jackson Statues Draws Death Threats, Pastor Says
A Chicago-area pastor has requested that Washington and Jackson Park be renamed, and that statues of the two former presidents be removed. In response, he has received death threats, he says.www.nbcchicago.com
A Chicago-area pastor has requested that Washington and Jackson Park be renamed, and that statues of the two former presidents be removed. In response, he has received death threats, he says.
Rev. James Dukes says that the number of hate messages he has received since making his proposal has surpasssed hundreds, but he says that he just wants to respect the suffering of those in his community.
"We can have public hearings and the public can engage my only fear is if that happens others from around the country will come and we surely don't want another Charlottesville in Chicago!," he said.
His recommendation comes in the aftermath of violent protests in Charlottesville, VA over the removal of a Robert E. Lee statue.
It was a shame so many devilish folks threatened him instead of just talking it out.
BTW, some of the "long-held traditions" are no longer pertinent to anybody but those living in the past.
Glorifying the losers of the Civil War, or other slave owners, is (some of) what is dividing America.
Not attempts to rectify appalling idolizations.
I'ld say the born-again Christians can see from whence they have been rescued.
From the life walked in the flesh instead of walked in the Spirit.
Mind showing your proof that she is a witch?
Or is that just your fleshly emotions talking?
As long as you have opened that door, I find that by praying, and asking God to keep me away from any situation wherein I may be forced to kill in my own or other's defense, works perfectly.
Others must be praying to their 357s, 38s, and 45s.
That is idolatry.
I thought you were done with the OT's laws?
(maybe I am thinking of some Mid-Acts-Dispensationalists)
I am so happy I live by the edicts of the Law of Christ, and in the NT, now !
Like Paul, in Gal 2:20..."I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."
It isn't "my" life anymore, so I will let Him that owns me take care of my defense.
Where does your responsibility come from?
PureX
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I see no evidence that suggests that God cares at all about what we claim to believe. I do see evidence that suggest that love, forgiveness, kindness, and generosity make the world a much better place for everyone living in it. And since it appears to me that this was Jesus' message and promise to us, I'll accept that as my truth.
I'm not saying that there is no wisdom in the OT, or in any other religion's sacred texts, but I can see for myself that there is a lot of ignorance and bigotry and superstition there, and that clearly did not come from God. Nor does it result in the world being a better place for everyone in it.
Again, I am seeing no evidence to suggest this is so. This idea appears to be nothing more than a vengeful hope that God will punish those we would like to punish, ourselves, but have been unable to.
The truth is what is, not what we wish it were. Especially when what we wish it were is more brutal, vengeful, and unjust than the world we're already living in.
Right Divider
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Where are you looking for this "evidence"?
Where did you find this "evidence"?
Since you do not believe that the Bible is God's Word, how do you know what "Jesus' message" is?
So generous of you.
PureX
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And yet the thief always finds his own behavior to be justified, somehow. And so does the murderer. Because we can think our way past and around our "conscience" quite easily when we want to. Our own sins become invisible to us. Especially when we spend all our time telling ourselves and everyone else how unquestionably righteous we are.
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ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
Gee if only we had a guide
Speak for yourself
You poor foolish blind hypocriteEspecially when we spend all our time telling ourselves how unquestionably righteous we are.
PureX
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Everyone has their opinions, and yet no one actually knows. Because none of us are gods. We can't see the whole picture. We don't know the whole truth. The difference is that some of us accept these human limitations and realize that we must trust in God because of all that we don't know. While others of us adopt the false pretense of having obtained such divine vision and knowledge. And then use it to put themselves above everyone else. And then to try and control and oppress everyone else in the name of this falsely assumed "God-knowledge". It's these people that this thread is addressing.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
You don't know that.
You can't know that by your own criteria.
My own degree of "knowing" is unknowable to you. It might be complete. It might be incomplete. But there is no way for you to know.
But you claim to know.
Which makes you a hypocrite.
Oh, what logic. To take God at His word is just another human opinion. No basis at all in Biblical evidence.