Yes, on earth.
I have already been judged, found guilty, crucified with Christ and raised up.
ECT The Rapture: Kept From the Hour of Trial
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Yes, on earth.
I have already been judged, found guilty, crucified with Christ and raised up.
TweetyBird
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I don't think the last 2000 years has been a walk in the park. There has been terrible persecution of believers for all that time - don't you agree?
TweetyBird
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You will still stand before Christ and be judged on Judgment Day.
TweetyBird
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That's not exactly what He said, however. That "generation" can refer to the entire generation of believers. Or it could refer to His return to the Father and subsequent return in Glory right after He spoke to Mary Magdalene. He said nothing about the restoration of Israel. The stones were cast down when the Temple was destroyed. That some of them remained does not discount the prophecy. God fulfills prophecy as He sees fit and most of the time, it's a far cry from what man supposed it would be. Israel will never be "purged from evil". Only the remnant are saved.
The destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple was indeed tribulation. Over a million Jews were killed and the surrounding countryside was ravaged as all Jews were hunted down and murdered. Then there was Masada. It was a very horrific time in history and to belittle it seems rather dishonest.
The mention of deception several times, and false prophets in Matthew 24 points to the falling away or apostasy of II Thessalonians 2: 3-4, and other New Testament texts on false prophets and false doctrines.
There seems to be a connection between deception and false prophets teaching false doctrines and what is called great tribulation in Matthew 24: 21, whether this tribulation is a definite period only near the end of the age or of an ongoing period of time.
Look at some of these texts on false prophets and false doctrines. Does the New Testament in an explicit way predict that a falling away from sound doctrine will occur near the end of the age?
II Thessalonians 2: 3 says "Let no man deceive you by any means: for
that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and
that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"
I Timothy 4: 1-2 says "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the
latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing
spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2.Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a
hot iron;"
II Timothy 4: 3-4 says "For the time will come when they will not
endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to
themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4.And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be
turned unto fables."
Then, II Peter 2: 1-3 says "But there were false prophets also among
the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who
privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that
bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the
way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make
merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not,
and their damnation slumbereth not."
"Then said he, Unto what is the kingdom of God like? and whereunto shall I resemble it?.......And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God? 21It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened." Luke 13: 18, 20-21
Although I Timothy 4: 1-2 says some will depart from the faith and speak lies in hypocrisy,in the latter times, a strong case that New Testament texts say a falling away or apostasy will occur near the end of the age cannot be easily made.
We know that there was a departure from sound doctrine (II Timothy 4: 3) in the period when the Roman Catholic Church ruled. We also know that there were several movements called Christian going on during the nineteenth century which departed from what was considered sound doctrine.
Mary Baker Eddy (1821-1910), Ellen G. White (1827-1915), Edward Irving (1792 –1834), John Darby (1800 -1882), Charles T. Russell (1852-1916),
and and C.I. Scofield (1843 -1921) were some of the major false
prophets of the 19th century who influenced Christians. The most
influential 19th century false doctrines preached by false prophets were the Jehovah's
Witnesses, the Mormons, Christian Science and Dispensationalism.. Dispensationalism became the most popular of these 19th century departures from Protestant doctrine after the Reformation, and took over, by the mid 20th century, the evangelical protestant denominations.
There seems to be a connection between deception and false prophets teaching false doctrines and what is called great tribulation in Matthew 24: 21, whether this tribulation is a definite period only near the end of the age or of an ongoing period of time.
Look at some of these texts on false prophets and false doctrines. Does the New Testament in an explicit way predict that a falling away from sound doctrine will occur near the end of the age?
II Thessalonians 2: 3 says "Let no man deceive you by any means: for
that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and
that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"
I Timothy 4: 1-2 says "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the
latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing
spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2.Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a
hot iron;"
II Timothy 4: 3-4 says "For the time will come when they will not
endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to
themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4.And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be
turned unto fables."
Then, II Peter 2: 1-3 says "But there were false prophets also among
the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who
privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that
bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the
way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make
merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not,
and their damnation slumbereth not."
"Then said he, Unto what is the kingdom of God like? and whereunto shall I resemble it?.......And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God? 21It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened." Luke 13: 18, 20-21
Although I Timothy 4: 1-2 says some will depart from the faith and speak lies in hypocrisy,in the latter times, a strong case that New Testament texts say a falling away or apostasy will occur near the end of the age cannot be easily made.
We know that there was a departure from sound doctrine (II Timothy 4: 3) in the period when the Roman Catholic Church ruled. We also know that there were several movements called Christian going on during the nineteenth century which departed from what was considered sound doctrine.
Mary Baker Eddy (1821-1910), Ellen G. White (1827-1915), Edward Irving (1792 –1834), John Darby (1800 -1882), Charles T. Russell (1852-1916),
and and C.I. Scofield (1843 -1921) were some of the major false
prophets of the 19th century who influenced Christians. The most
influential 19th century false doctrines preached by false prophets were the Jehovah's
Witnesses, the Mormons, Christian Science and Dispensationalism.. Dispensationalism became the most popular of these 19th century departures from Protestant doctrine after the Reformation, and took over, by the mid 20th century, the evangelical protestant denominations.
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TweetyBird
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You can add Pentecostalism, Messianic Judaism/Hebrew Roots, Emergent, Contemplative, Signs and Wonders Movement, Prophetic Movement, Joel's Army, Dominionism, British Israelism/Two House Theology, etc. Pentecostalism is the fastest growing in the last 100yrs. MJ/HR is growing exponentially as well. Both it and Pentecostalism are in infiltrating "normative" Christianity as well. The Christian religion as we know it has been undergoing the most heretical influences in the last 100 years than at any other time in the last 2000 years. It's only going to get worse.
Interplanner
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Liberalism itself is a religion spun off the structure of the Christian church, too. and now acting rather nasty which is a huge contradiction because that's what it complained about.