The racism of the movie BLACK PANTHER

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Found this comment somewhere and said Wow, by current societal standards, he's right, Wakanda is everything evil.

Not everything about them was bad, though I agree to an extent, a lot of what they present as being beneficial to their society is evil, and not just according to our own societal standards.


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Pro-Wall,

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Ultra-patriotic,

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Monarchical,

Patriarchal.


These things aren't bad at all...
 

musterion

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Not everything about them was bad, though I agree to an extent, a lot of what they present as being beneficial to their society is evil, and not just according to our own societal standards.



These things aren't bad at all...

Of course they're not. The point is, a 100 year old photo of dirty Irish coalminers gets the owner accused of racism, while an idiotic comicbook movie (which is seriously being touted for Oscars just because it's predominantly black) has within it many of the very same elements that are supposededly American evils...and they go entirely unnoticed by the very type of people who would screech about that innocent old photo.
 

glorydaz

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Of course they're not. The point is, a 100 year old photo of dirty Irish coalminers gets the owner accused of racism, while an idiotic comicbook movie (which is seriously being touted for Oscars just because it's predominantly black) has within it many of the very same elements that are supposededly American evils...and they go entirely unnoticed by the very type of people who would screech about that innocent old photo.

Boy, isn't that the truth? I'm more amazed every day by what people find "offensive". Pretty soon all old pictures and books will be outlawed....old movies, too. :comeout:
 

The Berean

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Of course they're not. The point is, a 100 year old photo of dirty Irish coalminers gets the owner accused of racism, while an idiotic comicbook movie (which is seriously being touted for Oscars just because it's predominantly black) has within it many of the very same elements that are supposededly American evils...and they go entirely unnoticed by the very type of people who would screech about that innocent old photo.
This is called...

HYPOCRISY
 

ok doser

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This is called...

HYPOCRISY

true dat


also lazy thinking - i love watching jordan Peterson, ben Shapiro, candice owens, etc take questions after giving speeches - the quality of thought that comes from some of these people in the audience is discouraging, especially when you consider that they are often at venues (Oxford, etc) at which one would expect to find the best and brightest
 

The Berean

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i was struck by the fact that they didn't explain (in the movie) why wakanda was content to be prosperous and advanced when so much of africa is a disease-ridden dung-hole, full of war, massacres, mass kidnappings of young girls, starvation, war, killing, massacres, child raping, war, starvation, disease, massacres

did i mention disease?

and war?

and starvation?

black lives don't matter to wakandans, apparently
I think they did discuss this. Killmonger accused the Wakandan monarchy of being xenophobic and cowardly for doing nothing for centuries to help their fellow black brothers and sisters oppose their oppressors. That was Killmonger's whole point of his coup, to level the playing field and arm the oppressed people of color to overthrow and kill their white masters.

On a side note Kill monger's plan makes no sense. Sure Wakanda has super high tech hardware but certainly not enough to take on the world powers all once.

 

ok doser

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I think they did discuss this. Killmonger accused the Wakandan monarchy of being xenophobic and cowardly for doing nothing for centuries to help their fellow black brothers and sisters oppose their oppressors. That was Killmonger's whole point of his coup, to level the playing field and arm the oppressed people of color to overthrow and kill their white masters.

On a side note Kill monger's plan makes no sense. Sure Wakanda has super high tech hardware but certainly not enough to take on the world powers all once.



opposing the white colonial oppressors is an appealing theme, i'm sure, and might have had some relevance back in the day of white colonial oppression

but can anyone argue that white colonials are still oppressing africans in 2018?

at what point do we say that war, disease, poverty, starvation in africa is a direct result of poor governance by black governments?

I tried to wrap my head around the rwandan massacre a couple of years ago and gave it up - it was too depressing to dive into - what i did realize was that the western world didn't turn away because they didn't care about black people, in large part we turned away because we were tired of being blamed, we didn't see an effective way to intervene in which we wouldn't look again like white colonial oppressors
 

genuineoriginal

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but can anyone argue that white colonials are still oppressing africans in 2018?
Are Libyans considered to be "white colonials"?


People for sale

Tripoli, Libya (CNN) -- "Eight hundred," says the auctioneer. "900 ... 1,000 ... 1,100 ..." Sold. For 1,200 Libyan dinars -- the equivalent of $800.

Not a used car, a piece of land, or an item of furniture. Not "merchandise" at all, but two human beings.
One of the unidentified men being sold in the grainy cell phone video obtained by CNN is Nigerian. He appears to be in his twenties and is wearing a pale shirt and sweatpants.
He has been offered up for sale as one of a group of "big strong boys for farm work," according to the auctioneer, who remains off camera. Only his hand -- resting proprietorially on the man's shoulder -- is visible in the brief clip.

The auctions take place in a seemingly normal town in Libya filled with people leading regular lives. Children play in the street; people go to work, talk to friends and cook dinners for their families.
But inside the slave auctions it's like we've stepped back in time. The only thing missing is the shackles around the migrants' wrists and ankles.



Religions of Libya
Almost all Libyans are Sunni Muslim.

 

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
Are Libyans considered to be "white colonials"?


People for sale

Tripoli, Libya (CNN) -- "Eight hundred," says the auctioneer. "900 ... 1,000 ... 1,100 ..." Sold. For 1,200 Libyan dinars -- the equivalent of $800.

Not a used car, a piece of land, or an item of furniture. Not "merchandise" at all, but two human beings.
One of the unidentified men being sold in the grainy cell phone video obtained by CNN is Nigerian. He appears to be in his twenties and is wearing a pale shirt and sweatpants.
He has been offered up for sale as one of a group of "big strong boys for farm work," according to the auctioneer, who remains off camera. Only his hand -- resting proprietorially on the man's shoulder -- is visible in the brief clip.

The auctions take place in a seemingly normal town in Libya filled with people leading regular lives. Children play in the street; people go to work, talk to friends and cook dinners for their families.
But inside the slave auctions it's like we've stepped back in time. The only thing missing is the shackles around the migrants' wrists and ankles.



Religions of Libya
Almost all Libyans are Sunni Muslim.


arab slavers

some things never change :sigh:
 

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
in fact, i think most of northern africa is considered more arab than negro

and yet we never hear talk of oppressive arab colonials :think:
 

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
i don't know how reliable this is, but it's interesting enough to share:

According to the recent DNA study Berbers are Caucasoid Arabs, even though they have Sub-Saharan; Black African ancestry. They possess a genetic profile that is intermediate between Europeans and Sub-Saharan Africans and have a close genetic relationship with Mediterranean Europeans but also possess some characteristics of Sub-Saharan Africans.
So, technically they are a mixture of Xanthochroi (White European) and Melanochroi (Mediterranean).

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/afri...white-black-distinct-races.html#ixzz5emsyMDna
 

The Berean

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opposing the white colonial oppressors is an appealing theme, i'm sure, and might have had some relevance back in the day of white colonial oppression

but can anyone argue that white colonials are still oppressing africans in 2018?
Well, it's global now. The Chinese have their hands in quite a bit in Africa. There are over 10,000 Chinese companies with African operations today.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/panosm...same-way-european-colonists-did/#b2801cb298ba

at what point do we say that war, disease, poverty, starvation in africa is a direct result of poor governance by black governments?
There is certainly that part of it. But foreign powers still have their hands of influence over Africa today. But now they do it through banking and corporations instead if having standing armies in African countries.

I tried to wrap my head around the rwandan massacre a couple of years ago and gave it up - it was too depressing to dive into - what i did realize was that the western world didn't turn away because they didn't care about black people, in large part we turned away because we were tired of being blamed, we didn't see an effective way to intervene in which we wouldn't look again like white colonial oppressors
I thought they tuned away because it became too expensive to have direct control of African countries?
 

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
Well, it's global now. The Chinese have their hands in quite a bit in Africa. There are over 10,000 Chinese companies with African operations today.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/panosm...same-way-european-colonists-did/#b2801cb298ba


There is certainly that part of it. But foreign powers still have their hands of influence over Africa today. But now they do it through banking and corporations instead if having standing armies in African countries.

does development necessarily equal exploitation and oppression?

for example, what african nation has a record of independently developing vaccines and administering them to their own people?


I thought they tuned away because it became too expensive to have direct control of African countries?

that's part of it, along with the fact that we had (still have) no strategic interest in the area

now, if they discover deposits of vibranium, that's a whole nother story

or even better, unobtanium! :banana:
 

genuineoriginal

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Found this comment somewhere and said Wow, by current societal standards, he's right, Wakanda is everything evil.
Wakanda is:

Anti-Immigration,
Isolationist,
Pro-Wall,
Strict Trade Restrictions,
Anti-Diversity,
Ethno-Nationalist,
Ultra-patriotic,
Anti-Refugee,
Monarchical,
Patriarchal.

Tell me again how this place wouldn't be the most racist country on the planet...if it really existed at all. Hitler would be so proud!
It looks like we can sell a bunch of MWGA hats in Wakandia.

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