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You are certainly a Romans 10:2 kind of guy.
ECT The Other King: Act 17:7
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Right Divider
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Because you don't understand that Paul is teaching. :deadhorse:
Interplanner
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How do you know?
This "Paul" you are talking about zeroed in on the righteousness that is by faith in Christ which Abraham gained and never mentioned anything about a land promise nor was he ever positive about lineage (he mentioned his own as his pile of refuse).
Right Divider
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Because you've proven it time and time again.
You are a Cancellationist that rejects LARGE portions of scripture.
musterion
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Why would he. As far back as the writing of Rom 9-11, he was still fearing for his people as his people as God was gradually instituting a very different program.
That is a complete misrepresentation of what he said. You are a master twister of God's Word.
Interplanner
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I know that nothing in Rom 4 or Gal 3-4 or Phil 3 about the righteousness of God is the least interested in the land; yet there are many quotes there of Gen 12 and 15. How did that happen? Rom 4 does mention the world to be inherited; the NHNE.
You keep using that term when in fact there is an advanced and dynamic meaning; Christ is the temple, the manna, the Lamb; he accomplished an exodus (Lk 9) etc in abundance. The ordinary way of reading the OT was to give way to reading it "in Christ"--in what he accomplished, to use the language of 2 Cor 5. That's why there is no interest in the land's future as such in critical scenes like Acts 26's hearing. All that matters to Paul is already fulfilled in the resurrection, not the way Israel thought it was going to be fulfilled. I'm a FULFILLIST.
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FULFILLEDIST
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Because you continue to cluelessly conclude that MAD asserts "ethne."
And you continue to cluelessly conclude that because just as it is your practice to cluelessly read things into Scripture; you cluelessly read things into what MADs are actually asserting.
Because you covet winning the Prizebeats Delusional Writer of the Year Award, this year also.
Well, guess what? It's yours. "The cat is" metaphorically speaking (just the way you like your delusions) "in the bag" :chuckle:
Code for "Preterist."
ClimateSanity
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How does a new heaven and earth makes the promises of Zechariah null and void?
ClimateSanity
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If the NT doesn't mention it, it is null and void.
Interplanner
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Where do you get the idea that they are null and void just because the prophets were actually talking about the NHNE to begin with? All the imagery is to help them--the Jews--to understand what a remade world would be; goodness would win; righteousness would prevail; etc. But not a Judaistic short term bandaid that fails at the end.
ClimateSanity
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You have an anti biblical understanding of what fulfilled means.
ClimateSanity
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What makes you think Zechariah was talking about the NHNE?
Interplanner
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I do that through the guidance of the NT. It quotes Zech about christ pretty extensively and 1st vs 2nd is irrelevant. He already is the King of Zion etc.
2, there is no place in the NT that shows any interest in a Judaistic element or details to the 2nd coming. I'm referring to passages about the coming in Judgement: Rom 2, 8, I Cor 15, Heb 9, 2 Tim 2, Acts 17, and of course the longest 2 Pet 3. They find the restored world in the NHNE, like the end of Isaiah. What are we supposed to do with the end of Isaiah, go through with a scissors and sort out millenial from NHNE? I don't think so. The millenium of Rev 20 has no Judaistic features and fails at the end. The NHNE has a temple and a sun, but they are God and Christ.
Literalism is a primitive and elementary way to read things. How are men supposed to nurse gentiles when men don't lactate? (see late Isaiah).
Interplanner
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How, anyway, does a set of geo-political events about israel bring about the worldwide judgement of God? There's no need for that to complete the judgement of God and modern Israel is mostly a secular socialist operation.