beloved57
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TULIP is the Gospel, The Faith!
Theology Club: The Olive Tree
- Thread starter Jerry Shugart
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I'll be the one pointing to Calvin's books "as by fire" sale, lol
beloved57
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If you dont believe TULIP at the Judgment, you will be there in Unbelief !
Whoops, I meant the Bema. Sorry to hear you won't be at that one; we'll be holding an "as by fire" sale on "books about."
Free hot dogs.
beloved57
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You will be at the Great White Throne Judgment, and so will I !
Nah, that'll be a Holodeck mirage for those on the Starship Calvin.
These are the voyages of the Starship Calvin
Its continuing mission
To seek out new books about
New crystallizations
Of the same old same old
To boldly go where Calvin
Has gone before...
Nowhere.
beloved57
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You will be there!
Jerry Shugart
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Here's what I suggest for you. Get out your Bible and give yourself a little test. Look at these words of the Lord Jesus spoken to the Jews who lived under the law and then ask yourself a question:
"Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life" (Jn.5:24).
Now study what the Lord Jesus said to those Jews and then ask yourself, "Did the Lord Jesus tell those Jews that if the believed and did nothing else then they would be saved?"
What is your answer?
beloved57
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One must be saved, born again to hear Gods words and to believe!
SaulToPaul 2
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And, Jerry's proof text fails to mention that this eternal life is in resurrection, and eternal life is in the Son with this caveat:
1 John 2
24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
1 John 3
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1 John 5
18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
heir
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Jerry Shugart
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If you actually believe that then you need a break. Might I suggest a cozy chair with good lighting and a KJB and actually believing what is written there for a change.
For instance, the following words of the Lord Jesus were spoken to the Jews who lived under the law:
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life" (Jn.5:24; KJV).
True believers who read this verse understand that the Jews who lived under the law when the Lord Jesus walked the earth were saved by faith apart from works.
Do you agree with that?
SaulToPaul 2
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And, Jerry's proof text fails to mention that this eternal life is in resurrection, and eternal life is in the Son with this caveat:
1 John 2
24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
1 John 3
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1 John 5
18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
1 John 2
24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
1 John 3
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1 John 5
18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
Jerry Shugart
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You quote verses which you do not even understand. Thewords of the Lord Jesus spoken to the Jews who lived under the law could not be more plain:
"Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life" (Jn.5:24).
In this verse the Greek word translated "believes" and the Greek word translated "has" are both in the "present" tense.
In The Blue Letter Bible we read the following meaning of the present tense:
"The present tense represents a simple statement of fact or reality viewed as occurring in actual time. In most cases this corresponds directly with the English present tense."
Therefore, John 5:24 is saying that those who were believing at the time the Lord Jesus spoke those words had already received eternal life. That is what is meant as something being "viewed as occuring in actual time."
So once a person believes he receives eternal life. And here is whst the Lord Jesus said to those to whom He gives eternal life:
"And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand" (Jn.10:28).
So by the Lord Jesus' own words we can know that the Jews who lived under the law were saved the second when they believed and they possessed eternal security.
Has anyone said that this is not true, Jerry?
Anyone at all?
heareth my word, AND believeth on him that sent me,
glorydaz
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