ECT The Mystery: What and Why

Totton Linnet

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Danoh said:
Nope, no, and nah :)

Israel's commonwealth is no more by the time of Paul.

Its why Peter was told in Acts 10 God had put no difference between the Jew and the Gentile - Romans 11:25 had just become fact with Israel's Matt. 12:30-32 inpardonable sin against the Spirit at Acts 7:51, Paul was then saved in Acts 9 and sent out to both with out distinction.

Peter's Acts 10 encounter later serving to uphold the truth of Paul's gospel among the Gentiles with out distinction in Acts 15.

Romans 1 thru 5 and 9-11, which are basically saying the same thing as Ephesians 2 and that Ephesians is based on, and makes this clear - Israel was concluded under sin with the Gentiles that God might have mercy, not on a nation, or on nations, but on individuals without distinction in a NEW man that God was now forming.

Israel's commonwealth still fallen; its restoration on hold "til the fulness of" this "Gentiles" salvation "be come in," Romans 11; Acts 15.

Consider Romans 4. Abraham had righteousness accounted unto him when he was in UNcircumcision - a Gentile.

Likewise with Paul - saved in (the) uncircumcision (of his heart) though circumcision (in the flesh) he was now "a pattern" - there was now no Jew/Gentile distinction as far as those under sin was concerned when things changed.

Now it was - all have sinned - no distinction.

The Body comprised of those. This was a New Creature, not the commenwealth of Israel.

Peter preaches the 2nd Coming TO ISRAEL in Acts 3.

Is that what you, as a member of God's NEW Creature, is that what you as a member of this one NEW man, are awaiting?

And of course, various of those who assert a Mid-Acts perspective will differ on some that.

Its par for the course within any school of thought.
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"The long and winding road
tha a at leads to your door"

Why not read the bible simply, we Gentiles who were once far off without God and without hope have been brought nigh by the blood of Jesus Christ

We were strangers and aliens to the commonwealth of Israel but now we are FELLOW citizens, heirs

Just read it and believe it.

YOU say we are not...Paul says we are.

I do not accept that the Jewish brethren will inherit the land....the SEED of Abraham...ethnic Israel, the nation of Israel that now is...THEY are the ones who will inherit the land.
 
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Totton Linnet said:
"The long and winding road
tha a at leads to your door"

Why not read the bible simply, we Gentiles who were once far off without God and without hope have been brought nigh by the blood of Jesus Christ

We were strangers and aliens to the commonwealth of Israel but now we are FELLOW citizens, heirs

Just read it and believe it.

YOU say we are not...Paul says we are.

I do not accept that the Jewish brethren will inherit the land....the SEED of Abraham...ethnic Israel, the nation of Israel that now is...THEY are the ones who will inherit the land.
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Your post reminds me of an acquaintance. Every day that mail comes to the building his business is housed in, it is handed to him because the building hasn't any mail boxes.

At which point he goes about the process of "rightly dividing" it "to every" other business in that same building "severally as" willed by each letter's respective sender.

Of course, he also rightly divides his own from that belonging to others.

Though those businesses are housed in that same household, he knows he is not to open just any mail, just because he too is part of said household.

And yet...

When it comes to the Scripture, he cannot see the need for the careful pratice of this same principle.

Sure the Body is of "of the household of the saints" and thus "fellow citizens with... the Israel of God."

But that house has two floors - two residents; not one.

Both of which are the Son's glory...

Eph 3:15 Of whom the whole family IN heaven AND earth is named,

You've mixed the very means of knowing how to properly sort out the mail...
 
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Totton Linnet said:
We are made FELLOW CITIZENS of the commonwealth of Isreal, PARTAKERS of the promises contained in covenants.....that includes EVERY SINGLE promise of healing, prosperity, protection, an ever present help etc, none of those things were even mentioned in that long article

Yes all those promises are ours...without us having to obey commandments, but through faith in Christ. ....you haves to BELIEVE those promises
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You are so wrong. Scratch that and 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV!
 
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Right Divider said:
"Made nigh by the blood of Christ" does NOT mean that we are joined with Israel. Why would we want to be? They rejected Christ. They were concluded in UNBELIEF with Gentiles so that God could have mercy on ALL (Romans 11:32).
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She wants what's theirs for some reason. I'm not sure why as we are blessed with Ephesians 1:3 KJV.
 
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Totton Linnet said:
All Israel did not reject Christ, multitudes both of men and women were added to the church after Pentecost
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I did NOT say that everyone in Israel rejected Christ. But God STILL conclude them ALL in unbelief.
Rom 11:32 KJV For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
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Sometimes ALL is used as a GENERALIZATION.
 
Totton Linnet

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Danoh said:
Your post reminds me of an acquaintance. Every day that mail comes to the building his business is housed in, it is handed to him because the building hasn't any mail boxes.

At which point he goes about the process of "rightly dividing" it "to every" other business in that same building "severally as" willed by each letter's respective sender.

Of course, he also rightly divides his own from that belonging to others.

Though those businesses are housed in that same household, he knows he is not to open just any mail, just because he too is part of said household.

And yet...

When it comes to the Scripture, he cannot see the need for the careful pratice of this same principle.

Sure the Body is of "of the household of the saints" and thus "fellow citizens with... the Israel of God."

But that house has two floors - two residents; not one.

Both of which are the Son's glory...

Eph 3:15 Of whom the whole family IN heaven AND earth is named,

You've mixed the very means of knowing how to properly sort out the mail...
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Danoh I TOTALLY understand that there is the heavenly portion and the earthly portion.

This is breakthrough, you heard this from Tot of the Linnet

The divide is not those Jews who were/are saved, they's church, we Gentiles have been brought into THEIR inheritance which is the heavenly one, we will come from the east and the west and sit down with Abe,Ike and Jake.

The divide is the NATURAL SEED of Abraham, the Jews, the present nation of Israel.

Why do you think they are already being gathered into the land?

See the Jews have a promised inheritance from God which is an everlasting covenant regardless of ANYTHING, since it was made to Abraham it was before the law and entirely rests on grace. They [ALL Abe's seed] are promised the land.

There is the spiritual or heavenly seed of Abe which is Christ and in Him us the church and the natural or earthly seed which includes all Jews. The heavenly crowd and the earthly crowd.

We are made fellow citizens and co-heirs with the heavenly crowd
 
Totton Linnet

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I know what it is

You want to get Paul's goat again don't y'all? he'll withstand you to your face. He didn't get mad because Peter came and ate with the Gentiles, thereby signifying fellowship and equality. He got mad because Peter withdrew from the Gentiles. Thereby setting up again differences and distinctions.

Peter was building up again that middle wall of partition. Paul was having none of it.

See if you cut the Jews out you cut yourself off from all the promises God made to the Jews contained in covenants. That's what the Amillennials do and you do the same. Those promises [and they are many] belong to us, we are made co-heirs to them, the only thing is we do not have to obey the law or observe ordinances, In Christ all of the promises are YEA and we provide the amen.

Peter knew that, Paul said "how can you who live as a Gentile and not as a Jew now demand that the Gentiles live as Jews...KNOWING [Peter KNEW] that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by the faith of Christ Jesus"

The Jewish church was the heavenly crowd and we are made fellow citizens in their commonwealth and partakers of the promise.

But the promise made to Abraham still stands and it is made to ALL his seed....they shall inherit the land.
 
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Totton Linnet said:
I know what it is

You want to get Paul's goat again don't y'all? he'll withstand you to your face. He didn't get mad because Peter came and ate with the Gentiles, thereby signifying fellowship and equality. He got mad because Peter withdrew from the Gentiles. Thereby setting up again differences and distinctions.

Peter was building up again that middle wall of partition. Paul was having none of it.

See if you cut the Jews out you cut yourself off from all the promises God made to the Jews contained in covenants. That's what the Amillennials do and you do the same. Those promises [and they are many] belong to us, we are made co-heirs to them, the only thing is we do not have to obey the law or observe ordinances, In Christ all of the promises are YEA and we provide the amen.

Peter knew that, Paul said "how can you who live as a Gentile and not as a Jew now demand that the Gentiles live as Jews...KNOWING [Peter KNEW] that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by the faith of Christ Jesus"

The Jewish church was the heavenly crowd and we are made fellow citizens in their commonwealth and partakers of the promise.

But the promise made to Abraham still stands and it is made to ALL his seed....they shall inherit the land.
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That's quite a convoluted story there Tot. Where did you get it?
 
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