I am already in the Kingdom of God...If you obey Me faithfully and keep My Covenant, you shall be My treasure possession among all peoples [Exodus 19:5,6] ...
Do that (Mt 5:20). :thumb:
I am already in the Kingdom of God...If you obey Me faithfully and keep My Covenant, you shall be My treasure possession among all peoples [Exodus 19:5,6] ...
Well if you don't specify what part your're talking about, then I don't know what you're talking about.I don't know why you are saying what you are saying here.
Where is Romans 8 talking about being "born again"?Romans 8:9 NASB - 9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
Without being born again you do not belong to Him and are therefore not in the body of Christ.
God told Adam to tend the garden.... later God told him to get out and don't come back.I don't believe God's commands contradict each other. I don't know if you do.
So you believe that some of Gods commands pertain to only some situations and at some times? That's called being dispensational.We are to obey God's commands. Christians know this. Unbelievers need to know this.
Jesus' words in Matthew 16:20 were likely because of potential danger at that time.
I believe that everyone should always obey God. But nobody obeys perfectly, not even believers. That is WHY God's GRACE is needed.I don't know what you are saying about to whom these things were written. You are just saying I don't understand.
Jesus was obedient such that many (we who believe) would be made righteous.
Do you believe we need to obey God?
Well if you don't specify what part your're talking about, then I don't know what you're talking about.
Where is Romans 8 talking about being "born again"?
God told Adam to tend the garden.... later God told him to get out and don't come back.
This is just one example of God's instructions changing in a manner that ONE instruction is exactly the opposite of the other. There MANY cases like this in scripture.
So you believe that some of Gods commands pertain to only some situations and at some times? That's called being dispensational.
I believe that everyone should always obey God. But nobody obeys perfectly, not even believers. That is WHY God's GRACE is needed.
Many around here think that they get "salvation points" by their great "obedience". You seem to also be one of those.
It means it is used as a tutor to bring people to Christ. It convicts and proves you deserve to go to hell. Therefore, it is Holy and righteous.
I am already saved and I believe obedience to God is for everyone.
A person who has the Spirit of God dwelling in them has been born again by the Spirit of God. Those who are not born again do not have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them.
I don't see any two of God's commands as contradictions or opposites. I don't know why you would think that I should. I believe this would create confusion if one were to do so. That is, not knowing how to be obedient.
Your comment about being dispensational is not accurate.
Why do you call THEIR commission "the great commission"? What about the greater commission that God gave to Paul?I know because I grew up under dispensationalism. I am not a dispensationalist. When I said at that time I am telling you that obviously there was the great commission and we tell people that Jesus is the Messiah all the time when we share the gospel. This is not disobeying Jesus. Jesus died, was buried, rose from the dead, appeared to many, and ascended to the right hand of God. There is no danger. He died exactly according to God's plan, meaning He was taken and killed by men but only in God's time, not before. His instruction to His disciples was meaningful, not a promotion of dispensationalism. I believe that they obeyed, but that there came a time when they could tell people Jesus is the Messiah.
Indeed God did! That is the dispensation that is CURRENT today.A dispensation is a stewardship. God gave Paul a stewardship.
Get yourself a Bible and read it.I don't know that Adam even could come back if he had wanted to. Men still work the ground for crops and otherwise, etc.... I don't know that it was specific to the garden of eden.
You seem unable to see that it is NOT by OUR obedience that we receive GRACE. Why the confusion Jacob?Of course we need God's grace. But that is how we are saved. We still need to obey God. God's grace says nothing of not obeying God. That is, the grace of God and obedience to God are both Christian truths of teaching or doctrine. We are to obey God. God's creation is to obey Him, mankind and more. Whether Jew or Gentile the gospel has been proclaimed and people have been rescued from sin unto obedience. For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not of yourselves it is the gift of God not as a result of works lest any man should boast.
Totally agree. But it is NOT the obedience that saves us but the grace by faith.When a person obeys the gospel they believe in the finished work of Christ and they are born again and obey God rather than disobey Him. They have repented of their sins and the Holy Spirit now dwells in them. They are fruitful in every good work God has for them to do. You can only be saved by Jesus, and having been saved we are to obey God, doing the good works that He has for us to do.
Indeed.Ephesians 2:8-10 NASB - 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
I see these scriptures here and I have learned from them. Thank you for sharing them.Gen 2:15 (AKJV/PCE)(2:15) And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
Gen 3:24 (AKJV/PCE)(3:24) So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
So first God puts Adam in the garden to dress it and keep it and later God kicks Adam OUT of that garden and will not let him back in. See the difference?
What you want me to say is that Jesus was not speaking to me here or I need to obey what Jesus said here.Make up your mind Jacob.... Do you obey Matthew 16:20 or not?
I do not believe as you do. If there was a great commission there was not a greater commission to Paul.Why do you call THEIR commission "the great commission"? What about the greater commission that God gave to Paul?
God entrusted something to Paul, He gave him a stewardship. This has nothing to do with a period of time. It has to do with his ministry.Indeed God did! That is the dispensation that is CURRENT today.
I have answered on this question before. Your verses are clear enough for all to see and I accept what scriptures says / teaches.Get yourself a Bible and read it.
I don't have any confusion here. I don't believe obedience brings about grace.You seem unable to see that it is NOT by OUR obedience that we receive GRACE. Why the confusion Jacob?
Of course. These good works are done in faith.Do you not see that the pattern that God shows through Paul is good works AFTER receiving grace?
For by grace you have been saved through faith.Totally agree. But it is NOT the obedience that saves us but the grace by faith.
Indeed.
Read further. The law caused Paul to want to sin, Romans 7:7-12.
" Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good" (Romans 7:12).
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 2Cor. 3:7
Because they were unworthy of facing such glory just as we are. We are only able to come near such glory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Which Pauline Epistle came first?But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 2Cor. 3:7
The ministration of the Spirit exceeds in glory.
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You're welcome.I see these scriptures here and I have learned from them. Thank you for sharing them.
This is my point. Some people cannot understand that IN the scripture God is telling SOME people to DO some THING at some TIME.What you want me to say is that Jesus was not speaking to me here or I need to obey what Jesus said here.
The so-called "great commission" (which BTW, the Bible never calls it) was given to CERTAIN people and those people are NOT you.I do not believe as you do. If there was a great commission there was not a greater commission to Paul.
All of God's dealings with mankind occur over time. God did NOT reveal His ENTIRE will at ONE MOMENT in time.God entrusted something to Paul, He gave him a stewardship. This has nothing to do with a period of time. It has to do with his ministry.
If you think that the so-called "great commission" is for YOUR obedience, then you are confused.I have answered on this question before. Your verses are clear enough for all to see and I accept what scriptures says / teaches.
I don't have any confusion here. I don't believe obedience brings about grace.
Of course. These good works are done in faith.
For by grace you have been saved through faith.
I have responded in such a way as to show that we should obey Jesus' commands but that this command was for a specific time period for His disciples.You're welcome.
This is my point. Some people cannot understand that IN the scripture God is telling SOME people to DO some THING at some TIME.
You seem to be one of those people.
I understand the words The Great Commission are not in scripture. Here is Jesus' instruction to His eleven disciples.The so-called "great commission" (which BTW, the Bible never calls it) was given to CERTAIN people and those people are NOT you.
I believe people still need to become disciples and be taught to observe what Jesus commanded.All of God's dealings with mankind occur over time. God did NOT reveal His ENTIRE will at ONE MOMENT in time.
If you think that the so-called "great commission" is for YOUR obedience, then you are confused.
You should never tell anyone they can't obey.