The Late Great Urantia Revelation

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freelight

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If caino believed that then he communicated with the wrong translators of unfamiliar celestials whom tricks people in another jesus.

Many different versions or interpretations of Jesus exist.

Still, there is only One Universal Father of all things and beings.
 

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Many different versions or interpretations of Jesus exist.

Still, there is only One Universal Father of all things and beings.
Interpretations from what source. Why not learn from the holy spirit directly instead of Angels you know nothing about
 

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Interpretations from what source. Why not learn from the holy spirit directly instead of Angels you know nothing about

What did Mary know about Gabriel?

What did Joseph know about the spirit who came to him in a dream?

Your arguments are all based on superstitious fear and an inability to discern the spirit of truth. In the next life these traits of fear and laziness will eventually be addressed.




48:5.8 One of the purposes of the morontia career is to effect the permanent eradication from the mortal survivors of such animal vestigial traits as procrastination, equivocation, insincerity, problem avoidance, unfairness and ease seeking. The mansonia life early teaches the young morontia pupils that postponement is in no sense avoidance. After the life in the flesh, time is no longer available as a technique of dodging situations or of circumventing disagreeable obligations.

"Any discernible differences between those mortals hailing from the isolated and retarded worlds and those survivors from the more advanced and enlightened spheres are virtually obliterated during the sojourn on the seventh mansion world. Here you will be purged of all the remnants of unfortunate heredity, unwholesome environment, and unspiritual planetary tendencies. The last remnants of the “mark of the beast” are here eradicated."
 

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Much thought needs to be got before being able to understanding that but it is explainable.

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I won't ask you to stoop so low and outrage your sense of justice by defending the acts committed in Numbers 31:17-18 The Hebrew authors who wrote that rationalized the atrocities in their own history, they saw everything in their past as sanctioned by God. Fast forward----->"They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God."
 

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What did Mary know about Gabriel?

What did Joseph know about the spirit who came to him in a dream?

Your arguments are all based on superstitious fear and an inability to discern the spirit of truth. In the next life these traits of fear and laziness will eventually be addressed.




48:5.8 One of the purposes of the morontia career is to effect the permanent eradication from the mortal survivors of such animal vestigial traits as procrastination, equivocation, insincerity, problem avoidance, unfairness and ease seeking. The mansonia life early teaches the young morontia pupils that postponement is in no sense avoidance. After the life in the flesh, time is no longer available as a technique of dodging situations or of circumventing disagreeable obligations.

"Any discernible differences between those mortals hailing from the isolated and retarded worlds and those survivors from the more advanced and enlightened spheres are virtually obliterated during the sojourn on the seventh mansion world. Here you will be purged of all the remnants of unfortunate heredity, unwholesome environment, and unspiritual planetary tendencies. The last remnants of the “mark of the beast” are here eradicated."
What does Mary or anyone know about Gabriel coming from the Bible, alone?
 

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The bible is the ultimate book, far more than just a any book

It kills outwardly or gives life inwardly depending on how thick of a veil one is looking through 2Cor 3:6, the letter is you're ministry and you are in bondage to its elemental teachings Galatians 4:1-4, both books cast a spell about Jesus being a singular flesh and blood entity who materialized instead of the first born of the spirit in man Colossians 1:27. What you are looking for is where you are looking from not some allegorical myth of the letter never meant to be taken literally Galatians 4:24, 3:28, which shows any story line about any of those labels is a mere outward shadow being cast concerning this temporal kingdom where those divisions thrive then disappear like a spark, the inward kingdom Luke 17:20-21 goes on after the physical body the tomb of the spirit goes back to dust, if its still asleep in persona then it comes back until it wakes up from that Divine amnesia.
 

freelight

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What does Mary or anyone know about Gabriel coming from the Bible, alone?

All we have is the record of the angel Gabriel appearing to Mary mentioned by the scribe, for the canonicals only speak of Gabriel announcing himself by name when appearing to Zacharias. We might assume it was also Gabriel who appeared to Joseph in his dreams, or some other angel of the Lord. Mary might have known about Gabriel from the book of Daniel if she knew her scriptures, but that's it, unless tradition or folklore gave her more info. about Gabriel. There is no record of the angel announcing his name as he did to Zacharias in the gospel of Luke, so who knows? Caino's point was that the Bible and other religious writings record angelic encounters quite often, pointing to the reality of such communications.
 

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All we have is the record of the angel Gabriel appearing to Mary mentioned by the scribe, for the canonicals only speak of Gabriel announcing himself by name when appearing to Zacharias. We might assume it was also Gabriel who appeared to Joseph in his dreams, or some other angel of the Lord. Mary might have known about Gabriel from the book of Daniel if she knew her scriptures, but that's it, unless tradition or folklore gave her more info. about Gabriel. There is no record of the angel announcing his name as he did to Zacharias in the gospel of Luke, so who knows? Caino's point was that the Bible and other religious writings record angelic encounters quite often, pointing to the reality of such communications.
I need real communications from the 66 Bible. You went all over the place
 

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It kills outwardly or gives life inwardly depending on how thick of a veil one is looking through 2Cor 3:6, the letter is you're ministry and you are in bondage to its elemental teachings Galatians 4:1-4, both books cast a spell about Jesus being a singular flesh and blood entity who materialized instead of the first born of the spirit in man Colossians 1:27. What you are looking for is where you are looking from not some allegorical myth of the letter never meant to be taken literally Galatians 4:24, 3:28, which shows any story line about any of those labels is a mere outward shadow being cast concerning this temporal kingdom where those divisions thrive then disappear like a spark, the inward kingdom Luke 17:20-21 goes on after the physical body the tomb of the spirit goes back to dust, if its still asleep in persona then it comes back until it wakes up from that Divine amnesia.

This is the translation of the Bible that was breathed by God. Where did you get the rest?

2 Corinthians 10:3–6

3*For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh.*4*dFor the weapons*eof our warfare*are*not*1carnal but*fmighty in God*gfor pulling down strongholds,*5*hcasting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,*6*iand being ready to punish all disobedience when*jyour obedience is fulfilled.

Galatians 4:1-4
4*I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave,1*though he is the owner of everything,*2*but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father.*3*In the same way we also, when we were children,*cwere enslaved to the elementary principles2*of the world.*4*But*dwhen the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son,*eborn*fof*woman, born*gunder the law,*5*hto redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive*iadoption as sons.*6*And because you are sons, God has sent*jthe Spirit of his Son into our hearts,*crying, “Abba! Father!”*7*So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then*kan heir through God.

Galatians 4:24
24*Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two*icovenants.*jOne is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar.

Galatians 3:28
28*yThere is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave7*nor free,*zthere is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.*

Luke 17:20-21
20*Being asked by the Pharisees*uwhen the*kingdom of God would come, he answered them,*“The kingdom of God*vis not coming in ways that can be observed,*21*nor*wwill they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is*in the midst of you.”8
 

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Strange reply. What was the question?

In your world where Satan and demons write books and appear in revelations that you don't agree with, when Gabriel appeared to Mary, how did she know he was a good angel????? When a doubtful Joseph was visited in a dream how did he know it wasn't Satan or evil spirits playing tricks on him???? After all, the highest religious authorities of Judaism, of the Old Testament scriptures, thought that Jesus was from Satan because he was different than the God of their religion; In Judaism there was no Trinity, there was know divine Son of God coming down from heaven, there was no 2,000+ year gap in the fulfillment of the office of the Messiah, no 2000+ year gap for the Messiah to delay taking David's seat???
 

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In your world where Satan and demons write books and appear in revelations that you don't agree with, when Gabriel appeared to Mary, how did she know he was a good angel????? When a doubtful Joseph was visited in a dream how did he know it wasn't Satan or evil spirits playing tricks on him???? After all, the highest religious authorities of Judaism, of the Old Testament scriptures, thought that Jesus was from Satan because he was different than the God of their religion; In Judaism there was no Trinity, there was know divine Son of God coming down from heaven, there was no 2,000+ year gap in the fulfillment of the office of the Messiah, no 2000+ year gap for the Messiah to delay taking David's seat???
We both live on earth
 

Zeke

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This is the translation of the Bible that was breathed by God. Where did you get the rest?

2 Corinthians 10:3–6

3*For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh.*4*dFor the weapons*eof our warfare*are*not*1carnal but*fmighty in God*gfor pulling down strongholds,*5*hcasting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,*6*iand being ready to punish all disobedience when*jyour obedience is fulfilled.

Galatians 4:1-4
4*I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave,1*though he is the owner of everything,*2*but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father.*3*In the same way we also, when we were children,*cwere enslaved to the elementary principles2*of the world.*4*But*dwhen the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son,*eborn*fof*woman, born*gunder the law,*5*hto redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive*iadoption as sons.*6*And because you are sons, God has sent*jthe Spirit of his Son into our hearts,*crying, “Abba! Father!”*7*So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then*kan heir through God.

Galatians 4:24
24*Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two*icovenants.*jOne is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar.

Galatians 3:28
28*yThere is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave7*nor free,*zthere is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.*

Luke 17:20-21
20*Being asked by the Pharisees*uwhen the*kingdom of God would come, he answered them,*“The kingdom of God*vis not coming in ways that can be observed,*21*nor*wwill they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is*in the midst of you.”8

All that stronghold is within, where did you get the ability to secularize spiritual teachings? I know TRADITION.
 

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All that stronghold is within, where did you get the ability to secularize spiritual teachings? I know TRADITION.
Yikes! A catholic. I didn't do anything but quote a translation of God's true original Word.
 
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"The philosophic elimination of religious fear and the steady progress of science add greatly to the mortality of false gods; and even though these casualties of man-made deities may momentarily befog the spiritual vision, they eventually destroy that ignorance and superstition which so long obscured the living God of eternal love. The relation between the creature and the Creator is a living experience, a dynamic religious faith, which is not subject to precise definition. To isolate part of life and call it religion is to disintegrate life and to distort religion. And this is just why the God of worship claims all allegiance or none." UB 1955
 

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"The philosophic elimination of religious fear and the steady progress of science add greatly to the mortality of false gods; and even though these casualties of man-made deities may momentarily befog the spiritual vision, they eventually destroy that ignorance and superstition which so long obscured the living God of eternal love. The relation between the creature and the Creator is a living experience, a dynamic religious faith, which is not subject to precise definition. To isolate part of life and call it religion is to disintegrate life and to distort religion. And this is just why the God of worship claims all allegiance or none." UB 1955
Dark celestials fear the Lord so they attack people like you and trick you into fearlessly hating God's written Word. You tell it's in error and have no true source for anything.
 

freelight

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Study nature................

Study nature................

Dark celestials fear the Lord so they attack people like you and trick you into fearlessly hating God's written Word. You tell it's in error and have no true source for anything.

'God' Alone is the source of all truth, knowledge, wisdom.

'God' is Spirit.

'God' is Love.

A study of God's nature is an initial first step, a fundamental essential -

2:0.1 Inasmuch as man's highest possible concept of God is embraced within the human idea and ideal of a primal and infinite personality, it is permissible, and may prove helpful, to study certain characteristics of the divine nature which constitute the character of Deity. The nature of God can best be understood by the revelation of the Father which Michael of Nebadon unfolded in his manifold teachings and in his superb mortal life in the flesh. The divine nature can also be better understood by man if he regards himself as a child of God and looks up to the Paradise Creator as a true spiritual Father.

2:0.2 The nature of God can be studied in a revelation of supreme ideas, the divine character can be envisaged as a portrayal of supernal ideals, but the most enlightening and spiritually edifying of all revelations of the divine nature is to be found in the comprehension of the religious life of Jesus of Nazareth, both before and after his attainment of full consciousness of divinity. If the incarnated life of Michael is taken as the background of the revelation of God to man, we may attempt to put in human word symbols certain ideas and ideals concerning the divine nature which may possibly contribute to a further illumination and unification of the human concept of the nature and the character of the personality of the Universal Father.

- Paper 2, The Nature of God
 

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Perhaps one of the problems is you're stuck in one little cubicle and afraid to venture out of it?

"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty"
If I read it all including others written by celestials then I already ventured out of it. I'm just ahead of you knowing who God is. Been there done that. You still need to settled with Jesus.
 
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