The Late Great Urantia Revelation

[freelight]

Back to fundamentals......

Back to fundamentals......

I'm just pointing out that in the original gospel salvation was by faith, forgiveness was by repentance, not conditional to killing Jesus.
It should be obvious that Jesus didn't go around town teaching "Christ and him crucified" for the sins of man. That was a belief already in existence in the Pagan world. In the evolution of Judaism they had already adopted the belief that there is no remission of sin without the shedding of blood."

Yes,...concepts of blood-atonement from Judaism, the temple system, and carry-overs from various pagan mythologies have some dying/resurrecting god-man savior-type figures, but this was all interpreted 'allegorically' anyways, since believers still have to 'interpret' or 'accept' the analogy by way of some personal experience themselves for it to have any meaning or value.

Even Paul's narrative of Christ's death/burial/resurrection/ascension is 'figurative' of a believers participation in the same 'spiritual process' that one experiences in his own engagement with the mechanics of salvation, since one is buried, baptized and raised "in Christ",....this being an esoteric/spiritual experience. These outward tokens and symbols are all relating the psychology of religious experience. Blood has no power beyond what one gives it by way of his belief or assumption, while the dynamic of faith itself if properly applied or directed is the real key here, if it be properly directed.

Mans pride prevents him from confessing and facing his sin and second, asking and receiving forgivness and in turn forgiving others.

Indeed,...relationships are made and sustained by harmonic interaction. Sin confessed and repented of is all that is essential to maintain right-relations with God, Man and the universe....since laws are universal,.....the 'transgressing' of any law is 'sin', which is restored when right-relations are returned. The physical blood-shed of an animal or a man cannot magically restore such right-relations which can only be had by repentance, reparation and restitution. These are basic, reasonable and logical facts.

I've made many commentaries on 'blood-atonement', besides my own thread on the subject, and my observations remain essentially the same on this matter. Blood can symbolically relate many different aspects of life if we apply it figuratively on a spiritual or esoteric level, but such does not ever abrogate the principle of 'self-responsibility' for one's own sins and the remedy thereof. The call is ever to 'repentance', the return to truth/righteousness/goodness. The return to the service of God and Man is the only way, when one's will is to do the will of his Heavenly Father. The person and ministry of Jesus embody and express this way of life.

 

[Caino]

Yes,...concepts of blood-atonement from Judaism, the temple system, and carry-overs from various pagan mythologies have some dying/resurrecting god-man savior-type figures, but this was all interpreted 'allegorically' anyways, since believers still have to 'interpret' or 'accept' the analogy by way of some personal experience themselves for it to have any meaning or value.

Even Paul's narrative of Christ's death/burial/resurrection/ascension is 'figurative' of a believers participation in the same 'spiritual process' that one experiences in his own engagement with the mechanics of salvation, since one is buried, baptized and raised "in Christ",....this being an esoteric/spiritual experience. These outward tokens and symbols are all relating the psychology of religious experience. Blood has no power beyond what one gives it by way of his belief or assumption, while the dynamic of faith itself if properly applied or directed is the real key here, if it be properly directed.



Indeed,...relationships are made and sustained by harmonic interaction. Sin confessed and repented of is all that is essential to maintain right-relations with God, Man and the universe....since laws are universal,.....the 'transgressing' of any law is 'sin', which is restored when right-relations are returned. The physical blood-shed of an animal or a man cannot magically restore such right-relations which can only be had by repentance, reparation and restitution. These are basic, reasonable and logical facts.

I've made many commentaries on 'blood-atonement', besides my own thread on the subject, and my observations remain essentially the same on this matter. Blood can symbolically relate many different aspects of life if we apply it figuratively on a spiritual or esoteric level, but such does not ever abrogate the principle of 'self-responsibility' for one's own sins and the remedy thereof. The call is ever to 'repentance', the return to truth/righteousness/goodness. The return to the service of God and Man is the only way, when one's will is to do the will of his Heavenly Father. The person and ministry of Jesus embody and express this way of life.

Jesus said that not everyone was in need of a physician. They paint themselves into a corner when they "speculate" and come up with theories. Blood sacrifice is a "theory", Jesus never taught that he was a sacrifice for sins.

 

[journey]

NEWS FLASH!

The urantia book is fiction and is the basis for the urantia UFO cult. Only two people on TOL recognize the urantia book as anything but fiction - a complete fabrication. So, the urantia book is not an authority for a single thing.

 

[freelight]

NEWS FLASH!

The urantia book is fiction and is the basis for the urantia UFO cult. Only two people on TOL recognize the urantia book as anything but fiction - a complete fabrication. So, the urantia book is not an authority for a single thing.

Here & here.

 

[journey]

Here & here.

I don't recognize your opinion on the urantia UFO cult as an authority either.

 

[TulipBee]

Not following your question here.

Part 4 clearly explains what sources were used for its description of Jesus and his ministry, - see Paper 120 and 121 here (index page)...also the online study edition here.
All human record-sources and language concepts available were employed in the rendering, with assistance of the memory-reserves of the mid-wayers and planetary records when human sources fell inadequate. These are clearly explained. The sayings of Jesus are clearly expounded upon and paraphrased in order to communicate most optimally in the English language. Sayings attributed to Jesus stand upon their own meaning and integrity, and in the order of translation are naturally 'paraphrased'.

Skeptics may question even the canonical gospels as we not really knowing who wrote them, beyond what is traditionally 'assumed' or merely 'ascribed', - the papers make some interesting notes on the 4 gospels and their 'authorship' towards the end of paper 121.

The Gospel (Good News)



Many claim the Bible is full of errors, or is the invention of man, so this may also go for any other religious text assumed to be 'inspired', being a product of the religious community for which it was written. Any story, whether 'true' or 'fictional' (or a mixture thereof) is still 'interpreted' by way of analogy or metaphor, if its communicating anything of religious significance or meaning. A book or collection of books is to be judged by its own terms, meaning and value, contextually speaking. Anyone who has read any significant portion of the papers and its philosophy would understand this. These insights, truths and observations are not hidden, since the text is freely available to remedy any ignorance on the matter.

That goes for you too. If you deny infallibile and inerrancy then our conversations are no good. Have a good day

 

[freelight]

I don't recognize your opinion on the urantia UFO cult as an authority either.

Its better to be properly informed on matters, than be ignorant. You choose the latter.

 

[Caino]

 

[freelight]

Some fresh air for you.......

Some fresh air for you.......

That goes for you too. If you deny infallibile and inerrancy then our conversations are no good. Have a good day

First of all,...the issue of only some persons believing that the Bible is 'infallible' and 'inerrant' is its own special pleading. I've addressed the issue of the revelators using all the human records and language-concepts available to bring forth Part 4, and given the direct links for those interested in learning such from the papers themselves. (what more could one do?) I've been more than charitable in that dept. as well as being open to engage in 'creative dialogue' with the purpose of exploring new dimensions and expanding consciousness. That's what this is about.

Not even the UB claims to be 'infallible' or 'inerrant', since its openly acknowledged that imperfect terms, language limits and the developmental capacities of man's intellect and spiritual understanding are relative and limited to space and time, HENCE....there will come a time in proceeding dispensations where/when expanded concepts and new revelations shall come forth for mankind in their due time in their seasons of harvest. Such is the law of progressive revelation.

If you choose not to investigate or explore the UB, and instead just fall back on a dogmatic belief in 'biblical inerrancy' or 'infalliblity' of 66 canonized books, so dismiss the UB or any other extra-biblical religious literature out of hand, that is a short-sighted gesture IMO, since such a belief is 'unnecessary' to value or appreciate a particular 'bible', lest it become an idol.

~*~*~

'God' is the Light of which makes up every ray of colour in creation.

'God' is the Spirit whose breath inspires and gives life to all.

One cannot monopolize 'God', neither contain Him or Her to only one form, personality or denomination.

You just cant do that to the INFINITE.

 

[patrick jane]

Well, I wouldn't say it's great, but it is late. 1900 years too late

 

[journey]

Its better to be properly informed on matters, than be ignorant. You choose the latter.

What you think that you know is ignorant, so I'll pass.

 

[TulipBee]

First of all,...the issue of only some persons believing that the Bible is 'infallible' and 'inerrant' is its own special pleading. I've addressed the issue of the revelators using all the human records and language-concepts available to bring forth Part 4, and given the direct links for those interested in learning such from the papers themselves. (what more could one do?) I've been more than charitable in that dept. as well as being open to engage in 'creative dialogue' with the purpose of exploring new dimensions and expanding consciousness. That's what this is about.

Not even the UB claims to be 'infallible' or 'inerrant', since its openly acknowledged that imperfect terms, language limits and the developmental capacities of man's intellect and spiritual understanding are relative and limited to space and time, HENCE....there will come a time in proceeding dispensations where/when expanded concepts and new revelations shall come forth for mankind in their due time in their seasons of harvest. Such is the law of progressive revelation.

If you choose not to investigate or explore the UB, and instead just fall back on a dogmatic belief in 'biblical inerrancy' or 'infalliblity' of 66 canonized books, so dismiss the UB or any other extra-biblical religious literature out of hand, that is a short-sighted gesture IMO, since such a belief is 'unnecessary' to value or appreciate a particular 'bible', lest it become an idol.

~*~*~

'God' is the Light of which makes up every ray of colour in creation.

'God' is the Spirit whose breath inspires and gives life to all.

One cannot monopolize 'God', neither contain Him or Her to only one form, personality or denomination.

You just cant do that to the INFINITE.

Do not be deceived

 

[Caino]

Well, I wouldn't say it's great, but it is late. 1900 years too late

Each revelation of truth is met with the same resistance by those who bought into the petrification of the last relative revelations. As Jesus pointed out, he wasn't treated any better by the religious than the prophets were. But people die off, the world moves on and much of the speculation and dire warnings of the fanatics never happens.

 

[TulipBee]

Mankind don't let God save them so that lady is deceiving the little boy like most tol'ers do here. You do it more.

 

[Caino]

Mankind don't let God save them so that lady is deceiving the little boy like most tol'ers do here. You do it more.

I like the UB explanation better, it makes more sense than Christian speculation and conjecture.

 

[freelight]

Mankind don't let God save them so that lady is deceiving the little boy like most tol'ers do here. You do it more.

Note that on an intellectual level, 'salvation' is just a concept conditioned by various beliefs and definitions. The cartoon was meant to stimulate one's reasoning faculties with a little humor thrown in.

Lighten up

 

[TulipBee]

I like the UB explanation better, it makes more sense than Christian speculation and conjecture.

Christian speculation vs UB'er speculation. Christian quotes vs UB quotes. One is from God and the other is from spirits. What's from god is the truth. What's from UB is unknown. Thruth vs unknown. Truth makes more sense than the unknown.

 

[Caino]

Christian speculation vs UB'er speculation. Christian quotes vs UB quotes. One is from God and the other is from spirits. What's from god is the truth. What's from UB is unknown. Thruth vs unknown. Truth makes more sense than the unknown.

They trained you to believe the books that they wrote were from God and to fear all else. You are just doing what you are told. It's best then for you to stick with the Bible.

 

[TulipBee]

They trained you to believe the books that they wrote were from God and to fear all else. You are just doing what you are told. It's best then for you to stick with the Bible.

You bet I'm sticking with God's inspired books.

 

[freelight]

You bet I'm sticking with God's inspired books.

But that's your 'belief' that only those compiled books (66? which were traditionally 'canonized' and 'accepted' by a general consensus or a majority vote) are "God's inspired books". You see? No proof for that.