The Late Great Urantia Revelation

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The one major problem with the New Testament writings about Jesus is that Jesus never said to drink his blood or eat his flesh. That is a Pagan remix of the original gospel which is a grotesque theology rooted in human sacrifice of an innocent man to change a changeless God. Jesus is God, he was already forgiving.


The atonement crowd needs Jesus murdered for their sins because they are to proud to confess them, receive forgiveness from God and then actually commit to change. Everything that Jesus had previously taught and lived is thrown out in favor of a new Pagan remix, just believe he died as a ransom and you are saved.

.....but at least his life was appealing to the Pagans, so that worked.
 

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FL, you're one of a few members of the, "Higher Echelon of Intelligentsia" that
uses 'foot long words' that come to a 'final, tragic dead end' and wind up
so much "Baloney!" My compliments!
 

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The one major problem with the New Testament writings about Jesus is that Jesus never said to drink his blood or eat his flesh. That is a Pagan remix of the original gospel which is a grotesque theology rooted in human sacrifice of an innocent man to change a changeless God. Jesus is God, he was already forgiving.


The atonement crowd needs Jesus murdered for their sins because they are to proud to confess them, receive forgiveness from God and then actually commit to change. Everything that Jesus had previously taught and lived is thrown out in favor of a new Pagan remix, just believe he died as a ransom and you are saved.

.....but at least his life was appealing to the Pagans, so that worked.

You try to sound 'articulate' like your mentor 'Freelight'
but, unfortunately, you still end up sounding like Caino?
That must cause you much grief?
 

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This is the sermon that precipitated the Capernaum crisis. It's where Jesus talks about being the bread from heaven. It's long but I didn't want to leave anything out.






2. The Epochal Sermon

(1709.2) 153:2.1 Jesus introduced this sermon by reading from the law as found in Deuteronomy: “But it shall come to pass, if this people will not hearken to the voice of God, that the curses of transgression shall surely overtake them. The Lord shall cause you to be smitten by your enemies; you shall be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth. And the Lord shall bring you and the king you have set up over you into the hands of a strange nation. You shall become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword among all nations. Your sons and your daughters shall go into captivity. The strangers among you shall rise high in authority while you are brought very low. And these things shall be upon you and your seed forever because you would not hearken to the word of the Lord. Therefore shall you serve your enemies who shall come against you. You shall endure hunger and thirst and wear this alien yoke of iron. The Lord shall bring against you a nation from afar, from the end of the earth, a nation whose tongue you shall not understand, a nation of fierce countenance, a nation which will have little regard for you. And they shall besiege you in all your towns until the high fortified walls wherein you have trusted come down; and all the land shall fall into their hands. And it shall come to pass that you will be driven to eat the fruit of your own bodies, the flesh of your sons and daughters, during this time of siege, because of the straitness wherewith your enemies shall press you.”

(1709.3) 153:2.2 And when Jesus had finished this reading, he turned to the Prophets and read from Jeremiah: “‘If you will not hearken to the words of my servants the prophets whom I have sent you, then will I make this house like Shiloh, and I will make this city a curse to all the nations of the earth.’ And the priests and the teachers heard Jeremiah speak these words in the house of the Lord. And it came to pass that, when Jeremiah had made an end of speaking all that the Lord had commanded him to speak to all the people, the priests and teachers laid hold of him, saying, ‘You shall surely die.’ And all the people crowded around Jeremiah in the house of the Lord. And when the princes of Judah heard these things, they sat in judgment on Jeremiah. Then spoke the priests and the teachers to the princes and to all the people, saying: ‘This man is worthy to die, for he has prophesied against our city, and you have heard him with your own ears.’ Then spoke Jeremiah to all the princes and to all the people: ‘The Lord sent me to prophesy against this house and against this city all the words which you have heard. Now, therefore, amend your ways and reform your doings and obey the voice of the Lord your God that you may escape the evil which has been pronounced against you. As for me, behold I am in your hands. Do with me as seems good and right in your eyes. But know you for certain that, if you put me to death, you shall bring innocent blood upon yourselves and upon this people, for of a truth the Lord has sent me to speak all these words in your ears.’

(1710.1) 153:2.3 “The priests and teachers of that day sought to kill Jeremiah, but the judges would not consent, albeit, for his words of warning, they did let him down by cords in a filthy dungeon until he sank in mire up to his armpits. That is what this people did to the Prophet Jeremiah when he obeyed the Lord’s command to warn his brethren of their impending political downfall. Today, I desire to ask you: What will the chief priests and religious leaders of this people do with the man who dares to warn them of the day of their spiritual doom? Will you also seek to put to death the teacher who dares to proclaim the word of the Lord, and who fears not to point out wherein you refuse to walk in the way of light which leads to the entrance to the kingdom of heaven?

(1710.2) 153:2.4 “What is it you seek as evidence of my mission on earth? We have left you undisturbed in your positions of influence and power while we preached glad tidings to the poor and the outcast. We have made no hostile attack upon that which you hold in reverence but have rather proclaimed new liberty for man’s fear-ridden soul. I came into the world to reveal my Father and to establish on earth the spiritual brotherhood of the sons of God, the kingdom of heaven. And notwithstanding that I have so many times reminded you that my kingdom is not of this world, still has my Father granted you many manifestations of material wonders in addition to more evidential spiritual transformations and regenerations.

(1710.3) 153:2.5 “What new sign is it that you seek at my hands? I declare that you already have sufficient evidence to enable you to make your decision. Verily, verily, I say to many who sit before me this day, you are confronted with the necessity of choosing which way you will go; and I say to you, as Joshua said to your forefathers, ‘choose you this day whom you will serve.’ Today, many of you stand at the parting of the ways.

(1710.4) 153:2.6 “Some of you, when you could not find me after the feasting of the multitude on the other side, hired the Tiberias fishing fleet, which a week before had taken shelter near by during a storm, to go in pursuit of me, and what for? Not for truth and righteousness or that you might the better know how to serve and minister to your fellow men! No, but rather that you might have more bread for which you had not labored. It was not to fill your souls with the word of life, but only that you might fill the belly with the bread of ease. And long have you been taught that the Messiah, when he should come, would work those wonders which would make life pleasant and easy for all the chosen people. It is not strange, then, that you who have been thus taught should long for the loaves and the fishes. But I declare to you that such is not the mission of the Son of Man. I have come to proclaim spiritual liberty, teach eternal truth, and foster living faith.

(1710.5) 153:2.7 “My brethren, hanker not after the meat which perishes but rather seek for the spiritual food that nourishes even to eternal life; and this is the bread of life which the Son gives to all who will take it and eat, for the Father has given the Son this life without measure. And when you asked me, ‘What must we do to perform the works of God?’ I plainly told you: ‘This is the work of God, that you believe him whom he has sent.’”

(1710.6) 153:2.8 And then said Jesus, pointing up to the device of a pot of manna which decorated the lintel of this new synagogue, and which was embellished with grape clusters: “You have thought that your forefathers in the wilderness ate manna — the bread of heaven — but I say to you that this was the bread of earth. While Moses did not give your fathers bread from heaven, my Father now stands ready to give you the true bread of life. The bread of heaven is that which comes down from God and gives eternal life to the men of the world. And when you say to me, Give us this living bread, I will answer: I am this bread of life. He who comes to me shall not hunger, while he who believes me shall never thirst. You have seen me, lived with me, and beheld my works, yet you believe not that I came forth from the Father. But to those who do believe — fear not. All those led of the Father shall come to me, and he who comes to me shall in nowise be cast out.

(1711.1) 153:2.9 “And now let me declare to you, once and for all time, that I have come down upon the earth, not to do my own will, but the will of Him who sent me. And this is the final will of Him who sent me, that of all those he has given me I should not lose one. And this is the will of the Father: That every one who beholds the Son and who believes him shall have eternal life. Only yesterday did I feed you with bread for your bodies; today I offer you the bread of life for your hungry souls. Will you now take the bread of the spirit as you then so willingly ate the bread of this world?”

(1711.2) 153:2.10 As Jesus paused for a moment to look over the congregation, one of the teachers from Jerusalem (a member of the Sanhedrin) rose up and asked: “Do I understand you to say that you are the bread which comes down from heaven, and that the manna which Moses gave to our fathers in the wilderness did not?” And Jesus answered the Pharisee, “You understood aright.” Then said the Pharisee: “But are you not Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph, the carpenter? Are not your father and mother, as well as your brothers and sisters, well known to many of us? How then is it that you appear here in God’s house and declare that you have come down from heaven?”

(1711.3) 153:2.11 By this time there was much murmuring in the synagogue, and such a tumult was threatened that Jesus stood up and said: “Let us be patient; the truth never suffers from honest examination. I am all that you say but more. The Father and I are one; the Son does only that which the Father teaches him, while all those who are given to the Son by the Father, the Son will receive to himself. You have read where it is written in the Prophets, ‘You shall all be taught by God,’ and that ‘Those whom the Father teaches will hear also his Son.’ Every one who yields to the teaching of the Father’s indwelling spirit will eventually come to me. Not that any man has seen the Father, but the Father’s spirit does live within man. And the Son who came down from heaven, he has surely seen the Father. And those who truly believe this Son already have eternal life.

(1711.4) 153:2.12 “I am this bread of life. Your fathers ate manna in the wilderness and are dead. But this bread which comes down from God, if a man eats thereof, he shall never die in spirit. I repeat, I am this living bread, and every soul who attains the realization of this united nature of God and man shall live forever. And this bread of life which I give to all who will receive is my own living and combined nature. The Father in the Son and the Son one with the Father — that is my life-giving revelation to the world and my saving gift to all nations.”

(1711.5) 153:2.13 When Jesus had finished speaking, the ruler of the synagogue dismissed the congregation, but they would not depart. They crowded up around Jesus to ask more questions while others murmured and disputed among themselves. And this state of affairs continued for more than three hours. It was well past seven o’clock before the audience finally dispersed.

 

TulipBee

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Why are there so much similarities between Buddha and Jesus? What does the UB say?


The following are parallel's in the teachings of Buddha & Jesus:


Buddha walked on water- Angutarra Nikaya 3.60
Jesus walked on water- Mark 6:48

Buddha calmed a storm- Vinaya, Mahavagga I.20.16
Jesus calmed astorm- Mark 4:39

Buddha walked through walls- Angutarra Nikaya 3.60
Jesus walked through walls- John 20:26

Buddha performed miracles- Lalitavistara Sutra 7
Jesus performed miracles- Luke 7:22

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JESUS: "A foolish man, which built his house on sand."
BUDDHA: "Perishable is a city built on sand." (30)
JESUS: "Therefore confess your sins one to another, and pray one for another, that you may be healed."
BUDDHA: "Confess before the world the sins you have committed." (31)
JESUS: "In him we have redemption through his blood, the foregiveness of sins."
BUDDHA: "Let all sins that were committed in this world fall on me, that the world may be delivered." (32)
JESUS: "Do to others as you would have them do to you."
BUDDHA: "Consider others as yourself." (33)
JESUS: "If anyone strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also."
BUDDHA: "If anyone should give you a blow with his hand, with a stick, or with a knife, you should abandon all desires and utter no evil words." (34)
JESUS: "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you."
BUDDHA: "Hatreds do not cease in this world by hating, but by love: this is an eternal truth. Overcome anger by love, overcome evil by good." (35)
JESUS: "This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you."
BUDDHA: "Let your thoughts of boundless love pervade the whole world." (36)
JESUS: "Let anyone among you who is without sin be the first to cast a stone at her."
BUDDHA: "Do not look at the faults of others or what others have done or not done; observe what you yourself have done and have not done." (37)
JESUS: "You father in heaven makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous."
BUDDHA: "The light of the sun and the moon illuminates the whole world, both him who does well and him who does ill, both him who stands high and him who stands low." (38)
JESUS: "If you wish to be perfect, go sell your possessions, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven."
BUDDHA: "The avaricious do not go to heaven, the foolish do not extol charity. The wise one, however, rejoicing in charity, becomes thereby happy in the beyond." (39)
 

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What's the deal about Jesus got married and had children and lived to old age? What does the UB say?

Jesus was forbidden by the pre-incarnate instructions of his paradise brother "Immanuel" to leave offspring behind, or writings, a likeness of himself, or anything that could become potentially idolatrous. Before his public work Jesus returned to his family home and destroyed all writings of his own.


Joseph died when Jesus was 14. Jesus then became head of the household. His mother Mary was pregnant with Ruth when Joseph died.



The Death of Joseph

(1388.1) 126:2.1 All did go well until that fateful day of Tuesday, September 25, when a runner from Sepphoris brought to this Nazareth home the tragic news that Joseph had been severely injured by the falling of a derrick while at work on the governor’s residence. The messenger from Sepphoris had stopped at the shop on the way to Joseph’s home, informing Jesus of his father’s accident, and they went together to the house to break the sad news to Mary. Jesus desired to go immediately to his father, but Mary would hear to nothing but that she must hasten to her husband’s side. She directed that James, then ten years of age, should accompany her to Sepphoris while Jesus remained home with the younger children until she should return, as she did not know how seriously Joseph had been injured. But Joseph died of his injuries before Mary arrived. They brought him to Nazareth, and on the following day he was laid to rest with his fathers."



The Birth (and Death) Dates of Jesus' Siblings

The next important event in the life of this Nazareth family was the birth of the second child, James, in the early morning hours of April 2, 3 B.C. Jesus was thrilled by the thought of having a baby brother, and he would stand around by the hour just to observe the baby's early activities. ~ The Urantia Book, (123:1.5)

In this year, 2 B.C., a little more than one month before his fifth birthday anniversary, Jesus was made very happy by the coming of his sister Miriam, who was born on the night of July 11. During the evening of the following day Jesus had a long talk with his father concerning the manner in which various groups of living things are born into the world as separate individuals.

Since returning to Nazareth, theirs had been a busy household, and Joseph had been unusually occupied building his new shop and getting his business started again. So fully was he occupied that he had found no time to build a cradle for James, but this was corrected long before Miriam came, so that she had a very comfortable crib in which to nestle while the family admired her. And the child Jesus heartily entered into all these natural and normal home experiences. He greatly enjoyed his little brother and his baby sister and was of great help to Mary in their care. ~ The Urantia Book, (123:2.3)

The fourth member of the Nazareth family, Joseph, was born Wednesday morning, March 16, A.D. 1. ~ The Urantia Book, (123:4.9)

His third brother, Simon, was born on Friday evening, April 14, of this year, A.D. 2. ~ The Urantia Book, (123:6.7)

Jesus' second sister, Martha, was born Thursday night, September 13. [AD. 3] ~ The Urantia Book, (124:1.7)

On Wednesday evening, June 24, A.D. 5, Jude was born. Complications attended the birth of this, the seventh child. ~ The Urantia Book, (124:3.4)

On Sunday night, January 9, A.D. 7, his baby brother, Amos, was born. ~ The Urantia Book, (124:5.2)

On Saturday afternoon, December 3, [A.D. 12] of this year, death for the second time struck at this Nazareth family. Little Amos, their baby brother [Age 5], died after a week's illness with a high fever. After passing through this time of sorrow with her first-born son as her only support, Mary at last and in the fullest sense recognized Jesus as the real head of the family; and he was truly a worthy head. ~ The Urantia Book, (127:3.13)

On Wednesday evening, April 17, A.D. 9, Ruth, the baby of the family, was born, and to the best of his ability Jesus endeavored to take the place of his father in comforting and ministering to his mother during this trying and peculiarly sad ordeal. For almost a score of years (until he began his public ministry) no father could have loved and nurtured his daughter any more affectionately and faithfully than Jesus cared for little Ruth. And he was an equally good father to all the other members of his family. ~ The Urantia Book, (126:3.2)



NOTE:



The Twenty-Seventh Year (A.D. 21)

(1419.4) 129:1.1 In January of this year, A.D. 21, on a rainy Sunday morning, Jesus took unceremonious leave of his family, only explaining that he was going over to Tiberias and then on a visit to other cities about the Sea of Galilee. And thus he left them, never again to be a regular member of that household.


James now took charge of the family as Jesus had faithfully labored for the family as a surrogate father for 13 years.




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Caino

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Why are there so much similarities between Buddha and Jesus? What does the UB say?


The following are parallel's in the teachings of Buddha & Jesus:


Buddha walked on water- Angutarra Nikaya 3.60
Jesus walked on water- Mark 6:48

Buddha calmed a storm- Vinaya, Mahavagga I.20.16
Jesus calmed astorm- Mark 4:39

Buddha walked through walls- Angutarra Nikaya 3.60
Jesus walked through walls- John 20:26

Buddha performed miracles- Lalitavistara Sutra 7
Jesus performed miracles- Luke 7:22

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JESUS: "A foolish man, which built his house on sand."
BUDDHA: "Perishable is a city built on sand." (30)
JESUS: "Therefore confess your sins one to another, and pray one for another, that you may be healed."
BUDDHA: "Confess before the world the sins you have committed." (31)
JESUS: "In him we have redemption through his blood, the foregiveness of sins."
BUDDHA: "Let all sins that were committed in this world fall on me, that the world may be delivered." (32)
JESUS: "Do to others as you would have them do to you."
BUDDHA: "Consider others as yourself." (33)
JESUS: "If anyone strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also."
BUDDHA: "If anyone should give you a blow with his hand, with a stick, or with a knife, you should abandon all desires and utter no evil words." (34)
JESUS: "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you."
BUDDHA: "Hatreds do not cease in this world by hating, but by love: this is an eternal truth. Overcome anger by love, overcome evil by good." (35)
JESUS: "This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you."
BUDDHA: "Let your thoughts of boundless love pervade the whole world." (36)
JESUS: "Let anyone among you who is without sin be the first to cast a stone at her."
BUDDHA: "Do not look at the faults of others or what others have done or not done; observe what you yourself have done and have not done." (37)
JESUS: "You father in heaven makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous."
BUDDHA: "The light of the sun and the moon illuminates the whole world, both him who does well and him who does ill, both him who stands high and him who stands low." (38)
JESUS: "If you wish to be perfect, go sell your possessions, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven."
BUDDHA: "The avaricious do not go to heaven, the foolish do not extol charity. The wise one, however, rejoicing in charity, becomes thereby happy in the beyond." (39)

The UB says a great deal about the evolution of Buddhism as well as other religions which originated in some respects from the teachings of the Melchizedek missionaries that went out from Salem to the 4 corners of the earth. Melchizedek arrived in 1,973 BC. and left 90 years later.

Revelations great and small have been occurring for ages, it is not surprising that Gautama Siddhartha received "truths" but sadly, he "too failed to perceive the personality of the One Universal."
 
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The UB says a great deal about the evolution of Buddhism as well as other religions which originated in some respects from the teachings of the Melchizedek missionaries that went out from Salem to the 4 corners of the earth. Melchizedek arrived in 1,973 BC. and left 90 years later.

Revelations great and small have been occurring for ages, it is not surprising that Gautama Siddhartha received "truths" but sadly, he "too failed to perceive the personality of the One Universal."

I do enjoy my blended beliefs. I noticed that most TOL'ers have no clue what they're talking about regarding cults. So many things are already embedded in christainity and leaves everyone arguing among each other since the birth of Internet. High tech arguments at high speed leaves everyone in agony and bitterness. I had to put evil on ignore and not feed any more trolls like you and freelight do. Maybe it's a good thing to feed trolls but Reprobates are a waste of my time and too old for that. I don't think the Bible asks us to repeatly proclaim the gospel to the unbelievers repetitively. They heard once and for all.

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freelight

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Jesus and Buddha as brothers....

Jesus and Buddha as brothers....

Why are there so much similarities between Buddha and Jesus? What does the UB say?

See here, here.

Well, both are sons of God for starters...and would natually have truth and wisdom to share, Buddha drawing from some of the earlier teaching streams of Melchizedek whose missionaries stretched far and wide.

There is also a connection with Maitreya and Jesus in some ascended master schools.

More on Maitreya here, here.


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TulipBee

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Oh no! Not again. You posted the false age of accountability formula last year.

You never answered my question how you came up with that legalistic numerical formula.

Well, where did you get that?

Did you get upset for being baptized?


I said
I got it all from the revelations of Jesus Christ. Its all in there.

Gal 1:15-18
15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb and called me through His grace,
16 to reveal His Son in me, that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately confer with flesh and blood,
17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me; but I went to Arabia, and returned again to Damascus.
18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and remained with him fifteen days.
(NKJ)

Gal 2:1-2

1 Then after fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and also took Titus with me.
2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated to them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to those who were of reputation, lest by any means I might run, or had run, in vain.
(NKJ)

And what is this age thing going on? The legalism fanatics are giving us a headache
 

freelight

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Jesus married with children?

Jesus married with children?

What's the deal about Jesus got married and had children and lived to old age? What does the UB say?

We explore possibilities of Jesus being resuscitated from the cross here. I've especially been interested in the 'Jesus in India' theory and missing years. We've had at least 3 threads on the subject but they've been purged. The UB of course does not support the swoon theory and covers every year of Jesus life, confirming he died, rose again and ascended to heaven making many appearappearances in his morontial form before his final ascension. No travels to India are mentioned.

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5 evidences that Jesus could have survived the cross

Tomb of Jesus website

The 'Jesus was married' view speculates over bloodline issues, in his union with Mary Magdalene, a wonderful subject in its own right. Besides some scant historical possibilities, tradition and legend, one of the logics is that for Jesus to have the full experience of being human such would include sexuality, marriage and being a father. However, this wouldnt fit into the traditional-orthodox 'mold' set for Jesus. On another level the Gnostic mythos of Jesus and Mary Magdalene being soulmates or 'twin flames' is fun to explore.

Jesus relationship and life with Mary Magdalene

Even beyond all these historical speculations, the essential value is in the teachings of Jesus themselves, their universal and individual application.



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Some people will believe and promote anything as it appears

The Urantia rant is a total hoax and the subject of the tabloid hounds, no doubt

http://www.freeurantia.org/Essary1-final.htm

A subject of fables and fairy tales not fit for a Christian message board

The will be a price to pay for the ticket

The same kinds of shallow people said the same kinds of things about Jesus. People who will read a skeptical review of the UB and believe it rather than read the book itself are biased, they have contempt prior to investigation.

The Ancients of Days authorized the Urantia Book, it won't be stopped.
 

Daniel1611

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The same kinds of shallow people said the same kinds of things about Jesus. People who will read a skeptical review of the UB and believe it rather than read the book itself are biased, they have contempt prior to investigation.

The Ancients of Days authorized the Urantia Book, it won't be stopped.

There's no need to "investigate" the Urantia Book. You read one book of New Age drivel and you've read them all.
 

freelight

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Good rebuttal........

Good rebuttal........

Some people will believe and promote anything as it appears

The Urantia rant is a total hoax and the subject of the tabloid hounds, no doubt

http://www.freeurantia.org/Essary1-final.htm

A subject of fables and fairy tales not fit for a Christian message board

The will be a price to pay for the ticket

Hello,....your linked article above shows an impressive rebuttal by Norm Du Val to the anti-UB criticism of Dale Essary. I recommend you read the whole thing. Up for the challenge? This entire thread is a resource as well. I've corresponded with Norm before :thumb:

His UB resource pages are excellent here.

Also: The Bible and the UB



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Caino

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There's no need to "investigate" the Urantia Book. You read one book of New Age drivel and you've read them all.

Jesus was Liberal and new age, it was the haughty religious who were threatened. Adopting the Jews exaggerated history left the Christian world with a REALY anxious and uncertain historical worldview leading to this sort of defensiveness when God reveals more information.
 

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See here, here.

Well, both are sons of God for starters...and would natually have truth and wisdom to share, Buddha drawing from some of the earlier teaching streams of Melchizedek whose missionaries stretched far and wide.

There is also a connection with Maitreya and Jesus in some ascended master schools.

More on Maitreya here, here.


pj

Maitreya was a thing in the 70's when Benjamin cream put a full page newspaper ad about a Messiah is here now. That lead me to check out Baba, another end time person that returned.

I think it all ended up that the world isn't ready for him.
 

Zeke

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Save yourself, the Savor motifs are master slave relationships that still keeps you in bondage and dependent, a little leavens infects the whole lump.
 
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