Right Divider
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Nobody ever received eternal life because they performed ceremonies.
ECT The Gospel Preached at Pentecost
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Even Moses was going to be killed for not circumcising his son.
We have to believe AND obey God.
Interplanner
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RD is right, however, that is why there is another Israel in the NT! RD has me completely baffled on this. He is now saying what the NT says retroactively. He is saying what Paul said about the voiding and replacing of the Promise by the Law (by those in his Judaism), in Gal 3:17.
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Well, he is not really right, for the ceremonial works did save people from being cast away...cut off from God.
One must divide the word better than that to understand the truth, for obeying God is always salvation. What though was salvation during the Old Testament times? Salvation was being able to call yourself righteous and a child of God. It was also about being able to die and be in a better place than that of the prison/hell sinners would go.
So then, did the ceremonial works save? Of course it did, but it did not reconcile us to God the way Jesus' blood does.
People have been taught wrong and they cannot see the difference and the subtle but powerful truth in that difference.
The Gentiles were separate and without God in the world, they were enemies of God because they did not purify themselves as God commanded. The Gentiles were said to be without God and dead in their sins because they did not clean themselves by doing the ceremonial works, they were unclean people and without Christ.
The Jews were...Romans 9:4 the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory and the covenants; theirs the giving of the Law, the temple worship, and the promises. 5 Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them proceeds the human descent of Christ, who is God over all, forever worthy of praise! Amen.
See Right Divider and many do not see that obeying God was always the way, the way to the promise, the way to being a child of His. That was salvation back then.
Why was God going to kill Moses? God was going to kill Moses for not circumcising his son.
If you do not see salvation in that at all, then one cannot see.
Jerry Shugart
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Did they save David?:
"Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin" (Ro.4:8).
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David is a prophecy of what was coming.
Jesus fulfilled all the PROPHETS.
God forgave David of sin that would have normally caused him to be put to death.
David repented of his sins and God forgave him.
Which is proof that we must repent of our sins to be forgiven and saved.
Right Divider
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"Another Israel" is a figment of your vivid imagination. That's not unusual for those that like fairy stories.
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Those scriptures prove that the works that do not save are the ceremonial works, for there was no ceremonial works that David could do for adultery and murder.
Jerry Shugart
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David was describing himself and what he said applied to him when he said those words. And according to Paul the salvation of David had nothing to do with keeping the ceremonial laws.
What "deeds of the law" are being referred to here?:
"Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin" (Ro.3:21).
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What then is the country in heaven?
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I already explained it to you, you will have to consider it more carefully, for with the measure you use it will be measured to you.
All the prophets were about Jesus. David sinned and according to the ceremonial works he would have to be put to death, but he was forgiven when he repented to God.
That is prophetic because it is about how we all can be saved by repenting to God through Jesus.
Right Divider
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Just keep deceiving yourself, you seem to like it.
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How is speaking the truth deceiving myself?
Right Divider
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Because you don't speak the truth. You preach the gospel of yourself.
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I think you are following the teachings of some man or woman, teachings of their imagination. You don't have your own, you have theirs.
beloved57
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Look whose talking ! You don't believe that Jesus death saved them He died for, that's not a teaching of the bible ! That's from a evil imagination.
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You follow Calvin and his teachings from his imagination.
beloved57
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No, I stick strictly to the Bible rightly divided.
You are trying to MASH God's dealing with His chosen people on the earth with His choosing of a body seated in heavenly places. That is why you are so immensely confused. You and most of churchianity today.
Rom 10:9-11 (AKJV/PCE)
(10:9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (10:10) For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. (10:11) For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Why does Paul always forget to add "obedience" when He speaks of salvation?
Eph 1:13-14 (AKJV/PCE)
(1:13) In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, (1:14) Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
After you believe .... sealed .... until the redemption....
No doubt you will not understand.
Eph 2:8 (AKJV/PCE)
(2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
NOT OF YOURSELVES... How hard is that to understand?
Impossible for the self-righteous, like yourself.
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Calvin said it means Jesus only died for some instead of all.