The Gospel and Justification

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Yes. This is very close to the truth but a part of me detects that it has been twisted through the ages like a game of Chinese whispers. The doctrine that God took on a human nature is the doctrine that WE too are a part of God taking on a human nature. We are equally divine as Jesus. The story is about OUR collective divinity, not just about the divinity of Jesus. The story of Jesus points to the infinite and eternal part of us. The higher meaning and more accurate interpretation of the scriptures has been buried and lost in favor of something easier for the masses to digest. We like the low-hanging fruit if you will because it's easy and convenient.

I have touched the part of me that is one with salvation and heaven and I know for a fact that it is not only in me, but in every one else too. There is no doubt about it. I look at the story of Jesus and I'm smacking myself for not having seen this before. That is what the story is trying to tell us but we don't believe it out of fear of making the church wrong. I sometimes hate myself for being so foolish to have missed these critical points. The true meaning of the Gospels has been distorted through the centuries for political gain and for the profit of enterprise. It's profitable for people not to know about their infinite divinity and eternal self-worth. The traditional interpretation of the New Testament omits the most important part of us. The church will discourage people away from the soul saying it is a part of us but we are not a part of it. Where does it say that? I think most of them just don't know any better. It's an injustice to turn people away from the soul because it is our connection to what is infinite and eternal. Without it no one can feel good enough about themselves and humanity is lost. This becomes a social problem as can be seen in the history of the world.

The whole interpretation that we are worthless in need of a savior is a big misunderstanding. It's the opposite. Salvation is already present in the soul right here and right now. We have fallen like the first angel in heaven and have bought into the idea that we are separate from God when that is in fact an impossibility. God is everywhere but as we get older we tend to think God is everywhere except within us. We left the proverbial Garden of Eden which was our natural child-like state of innocence and then we bit from the forbidden fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. We think we can judge everything and this is the temptation. We do not quit biting of that fruit. When is it going to end? How do we know when we have taken things too far? The enemy doesn't want us to notice anything is wrong because it's secret weapon is stealth. We need to wake up and see this instead of falling victim to being frogs in water with the temperature slowly rising. We know something is wrong but we don't know what. We feel something is missing but few know that something is the soul.

My conscience will not allow me to keep this information to myself. People need to know about the divinity in their souls. This is the source of our self-worth. It is not okay to live without being able to feel this self-worth. The church is going to try to justify alienation from the soul because it's more important for them to control people. Yet what profits a man if they gain the whole world yet forfeit their own soul?

Seeing your posts, I'll bet you talk peoples ears off in real life?

 

[Ben Masada]

You are trying to spiritualize everything.

"There is no forgivness of sin without the shedding of blood" Hebrews 9:22.

Be thankful that it is not your blood.

There is no forgiveness of sins WITH the shedding of blood; neither of animals nor of another man. Not of animal sacrifices because the Lord never commanded that animal sacrifices be part of the religion of Israel. (Jeremiah 7:22)

And not of another man because, according to the Prophets of the Most High, no one can shed his blood for the justification of another. (Jeremiah 31:30 and Ezekiel 18:20)

Thankful or not, the blood of the sinner ought to be the one shed to justify the sinner; unless he repents and returns to the obedience of God's Law. (Isaiah 1:18,19)

 

[Prizebeatz1]

Seeing your posts, I'll bet you talk peoples ears off in real life?

Actually I'm very quiet but this stuff is too important. The system is designed to keep this information suppressed. The adversary does not want to be exposed for the fraud that it is. I've been called to stand and speak.

 

[Prizebeatz1]

Can you provide any documentary proof that this is in fact the case?

While I could engage with your comments at several points, I'm simply going to highly recommend the following well-informed text:

Bowman & Komoszewski, PUTTING JESUS IN HIS PLACE: The Case for the Deity of Christ (Kregel, 2007)​

Be well, and God bless.



Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
+T+

Why should I fall for the same trap that got us here in the first place? The proof is written in our hearts. We've been steered away from trusting the faculty of discernment in our own souls in favor of gaining approval from our peers. There is a feeling that something is not quite right with Christianity, that something is missing. We are taught not to honor this feeling and just go along with peer pressure. The soul has access to infinite intelligence. How do you suppose I know this information? It is not written down anywhere because the system has been designed to only show us what they want us to know.

 

[Robert Pate]

Why should I fall for the same trap that got us here in the first place? The proof is written in our hearts. We've been steered away from trusting the faculty of discernment in our own souls in favor of gaining approval from our peers. There is a feeling that something is not quite right with Christianity, that something is missing. We are taught not to honor this feeling and just go along with peer pressure. The soul has access to infinite intelligence. How do you suppose I know this information? It is not written down anywhere because the system has been designed to only show us what they want us to know.

God has given us a book, it is called the Bible. The Bible reveals the way, the truth and the life, John 14:6. You know little to nothing about the Bible. You are trying to find truth without the bible through reasoning. Search as you may through your own mind and reasoning you will never find the truth. It is written down, all that you want to know is available to you through the scriptures. Get yourself a good KJV study Bible and start reading. Start with the book of John.

 

[Prizebeatz1]

God has given us a book, it is called the Bible. The Bible reveals the way, the truth and the life, John 14:6. You know little to nothing about the Bible. You are trying to find truth without the bible through reasoning. Search as you may through your own mind and reasoning you will never find the truth. It is written down, all that you want to know is available to you through the scriptures. Get yourself a good KJV study Bible and start reading. Start with the book of John.

Dude, I was a student of the bible for 35 years. I was identified with being a Catholic without knowing my true identity of the soul. I knew there was truth to the bible somehow and someway but the literal interpretation never made sense and it still doesn't. The truth the Word points to resides in the soul. The bible is a guide but a literal interpretation constricts the infinite self. I was using the bible as something to hold onto. I depended on it to give me a stronger sense of my identity. I thought I would be reduced to nothing if I let go. That nothing was in fact everything because it is part of what is infinite and eternal. I used the bible and my beliefs and my identity as a Catholic as way to avoid the infinite and eternal part of me because I judged it as bad. A deadly and costly mistake for me and most of humanity.

 

[nikolai_42]

No one is justified by faith, unless Christ justifies them first.

How was Abraham justified?

 

[Robert Pate]

Dude, I was a student of the bible for 35 years. I was identified with being a Catholic without knowing my true identity of the soul. I knew there was truth to the bible somehow and someway but the literal interpretation never made sense and it still doesn't. The truth the Word points to resides in the soul. The bible is a guide but a literal interpretation constricts the infinite self. I was using the bible as something to hold onto. I depended on it to give me a stronger sense of my identity. I thought I would be reduced to nothing if I let go. That nothing was in fact everything because it is part of what is infinite and eternal. I used the bible and my beliefs and my identity as a Catholic as way to avoid the infinite and eternal part of me because I judged it as bad. A deadly and costly mistake for me and most of humanity.

Catholics know nothing about the Bible because they don't believe it.

You are so wrapped up in yourself that you need something that will lead you out of yourself to a higher and greater power than yourself, mainly Jesus Christ. God has fully revealed him to us in the scriptures.

 

[Robert Pate]

How was Abraham justified?

Abraham believed in God's promise of a savior and was justified by faith, Romans 4:3. also Romans 4:20.

 

[nikolai_42]

Abraham believed in God's promise of a savior and was justified by faith, Romans 4:3. also Romans 4:20.

But if Jesus had not yet come and died, how could Abraham be justified by the "doing and dying" of Him?

 

[Prizebeatz1]

Catholics know nothing about the Bible because they don't believe it.

You are so wrapped up in yourself that you need something that will lead you out of yourself to a higher and greater power than yourself, mainly Jesus Christ. God has fully revealed him to us in the scriptures.

I'm certain that you have things in reverse. It's only a matter of time before you realize it. "I tell you Peter, before the rooster crows today, you will deny three times that you know me." Luke 22:34. The soul remembers.

 

[nikolai_42]

Dude, I was a student of the bible for 35 years. I was identified with being a Catholic without knowing my true identity of the soul. I knew there was truth to the bible somehow and someway but the literal interpretation never made sense and it still doesn't. The truth the Word points to resides in the soul. The bible is a guide but a literal interpretation constricts the infinite self. I was using the bible as something to hold onto. I depended on it to give me a stronger sense of my identity. I thought I would be reduced to nothing if I let go. That nothing was in fact everything because it is part of what is infinite and eternal. I used the bible and my beliefs and my identity as a Catholic as way to avoid the infinite and eternal part of me because I judged it as bad. A deadly and costly mistake for me and most of humanity.

By whose authority do you point to your "self" as wholly identified with God?

 

[Prizebeatz1]

By whose authority do you point to your "self" as wholly identified with God?

I don't claim to be wholly identified with God. I am still largely identified with my personality but I know it is not my ultimate identity. One does not need authorization to identify with the soul. God gave this divine aspect of the self for a reason. It is our birthright. We do not need permission to feel it and the true self-worth it contains. Maybe we should rephrase the question as: "By whose authority do you NOT point your self wholly identified with God."

 

[nikolai_42]

I don't claim to be wholly identified with God. I am still largely identified with my personality but I know it is not my ultimate identity. One does not need authorization to identify with the soul. God gave this divine aspect of the self for a reason. It is our birthright. Maybe we should rephrase the question as: "By whose authority do you NOT point your self wholly identified with God."

By the authority of scripture :

What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
I Corinthians 6:19-20

And before you say "See...it's right in the bible", look at the Holy Spirit's nature :

I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
John 16:12-14

And Jesus very bluntly explains why we should be wary of anyone who speaks much of themselves:

He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
John 7:18

When you conflate "me" and "God" you do something very dangerous and something which was warned strongly against by Paul :

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2 Thess 2:3-4

Even Jesus Himself didn't speak of Himself but of the Father (but kept those two identities distinct) :

I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 5:30

 

[genuineoriginal]

Those like yourself who preach a salvation by works, by what a person does, are preaching a false gospel !

People that preach Unconditional Election and Unmerited Grace are preaching a false gospel.

 

[Prizebeatz1]

By the authority of scripture :

What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
I Corinthians 6:19-20

And before you say "See...it's right in the bible", look at the Holy Spirit's nature :

I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
John 16:12-14

And Jesus very bluntly explains why we should be wary of anyone who speaks much of themselves:

He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
John 7:18

When you conflate "me" and "God" you do something very dangerous and something which was warned strongly against by Paul :

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2 Thess 2:3-4

Even Jesus Himself didn't speak of Himself but of the Father (but kept those two identities distinct) :

I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 5:30

We can't rationalize away the soul by trying to attack my character. This is not about me. It's about us turning inside and connecting with our infinite self. The personality stays stuck trying to figure out what's wrong with other people and the world around itself because it wants to distract us from looking within and finding our treasure. It is very good at what it does.

 

[nikolai_42]

We can't rationalize away the soul by trying to attack my character. This is not about me. It's about us turning inside and connecting with our infinite self. The personality stays stuck trying to figure out what's wrong with other people and the world around itself because it wants to distract us from looking within and finding our treasure. It is very good at what it does.

You've made it about you. That's the problem.

 

[nikolai_42]

We can't rationalize away the soul by trying to attack my character. This is not about me. It's about us turning inside and connecting with our infinite self. The personality stays stuck trying to figure out what's wrong with other people and the world around itself because it wants to distract us from looking within and finding our treasure. It is very good at what it does.

And no matter how you try to rephrase it, "connecting with {your} infinite self" is still about you. You just put God there too and it sounds justifiable. But as I quoted above, that's not only not justifiable, it's spiritually deadly.

 

[glorydaz]

Christ shedding his blood for our sins and the sins of the world is what you call... "Old beliefs that don't work?"

He's a humanist...man on his own throne. :nono:

 

[Prizebeatz1]

The infinite self is one with everyone and everything. How can it just be about me when it's very nature is all inclusive? Are we projecting our desire to separate from God onto the situation? And how am I supposed to share my experience if I don't talk about myself? I'm not asking you to believe me. I'm asking you to find out for yourselves. Do we notice how the personality is finding every reason to keep itself away from what is infinite and eternal? When it runs out of reasons it will just make up some more. It is the father of lies. Every single idle thought it has is subliminally designed to move it away from what it takes to be its own death. The way to true life is to allow this part of us to die. But who in their right mind would want to do that? This explains why there is so much resistance to the soul. It is highly misunderstood and rejected yet it is one with God.