Nang
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Terrible, terrible, false teaching . . .
Which denies that Christian repentance is granted by God, as evidence of His grace. II Timothy 2:25; Acts 3:26, 5;31, 11:18,
ECT The False Gospel of Hank Hannegraff
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Terrible, terrible, false teaching . . .
Which denies that Christian repentance is granted by God, as evidence of His grace. II Timothy 2:25; Acts 3:26, 5;31, 11:18,
Paul ministered to Christians that they stop sinning after conversion.--
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
One must enter the Holy Place by the blood of Jesus which is something believers do on a constant basis to be changed from what they were to what God wants them to become.
2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
It is progressive after conversion and the receiving of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38)
My God might take exception to that, you need withdraw it for your sake.
1Co 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
LA
Correct-I don't. He was not addressing us. The context is "The Great Tribulation," which you, since you are an "it's all figurative" proponent(translated fool/moron), craftily dismiss.
So, you admit that you do not ever observe the dietary restrictions, as contained in Genesis-Revelation?
See how that works, wolf-ette?
Watch her respond with her "Look just how much more 'spiritual' than those bully MADists, cuz I pray 'The Lord's Prayer'" shtick. Watch.
Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Mat 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
Mat 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
False dichotomy-deceitful.
1. Do you ever pay attention, "at all," to "the words of Jesus Christ," when He obviously told you to sell all you have, show yourself to a priest, offer the gift that Moses commanded, and tell man that He is the Christ?
2. Her post above-further evidence, that she is so entrenched in studying her "the church" SOF, instead of the details of the bible, a book of details.
You've been shown wolf-ette, for years, that the Lord Jesus Christ spoke only God the Father's words, while on earth. "the words of Jesus Christ" are given through the apostle Paul, in this dispensation. His words, are "the words of Jesus Christ."
Do you pay attention to God the Father's words, or "the words of Jesus Christ?"
See how that works?
Tell you what, wise one. Show us wacko MADists, in the bible, chapter/verse, where the Lord Jesus Christ ever said...
It is more blessed to give than to receive.
....per...
Acts 20:35 KJV
I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.
Is "It is more blessed to give than to receive" "the words of Jesus Christ"(your quote/"argument")?
Yes?
"how he said"
Chapter, verse?
No? Why not?
The fool/moron is scrambling to her SOF....
Watch her punt, as usual.....Watch....
All that yellow certainly clinches it, you clown.
=all scripture is about me, LazyLaw, specifically directed towards me, and is for my obedience, and thus, I, LazyBum-ette, can "prove" anything I want...
"Short accounts" in Matthew-John...
VS.
Colossians 2:13 KJV
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Ephesians 4:32 KJV
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
Contrasts, that those who rightly divide the word of truth, "get."
Leviticus 14 KJV
1 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
2 This shall be the law of the leper in the day of his cleansing: He shall be brought unto the priest:
3 And the priest shall go forth out of the camp; and the priest shall look, and, behold, if the plague of leprosy be healed in the leper;
4 Then shall the priest command to take for him that is to be cleansed two birds alive and clean, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:
5 And the priest shall command that one of the birds be killed in an earthen vessel over running water:
6 As for the living bird, he shall take it, and the cedar wood, and the scarlet, and the hyssop, and shall dip them and the living bird in the blood of the bird that was killed over the running water:
7 And he shall sprinkle upon him that is to be cleansed from the leprosy seven times, and shall pronounce him clean, and shall let the living bird loose into the open field.
8 And he that is to be cleansed shall wash his clothes, and shave off all his hair, and wash himself in water, that he may be clean: and after that he shall come into the camp, and shall tarry abroad out of his tent seven days.
9 But it shall be on the seventh day, that he shall shave all his hair off his head and his beard and his eyebrows, even all his hair he shall shave off: and he shall wash his clothes, also he shall wash his flesh in water, and he shall be clean.
10 And on the eighth day he shall take two he lambs without blemish, and one ewe lamb of the first year without blemish, and three tenth deals of fine flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and one log of oil.
11 And the priest that maketh him clean shall present the man that is to be made clean, and those things, before the Lord, at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation:
12 And the priest shall take one he lamb, and offer him for a trespass offering, and the log of oil, and wave them for a wave offering before the Lord:
13 And he shall slay the lamb in the place where he shall kill the sin offering and the burnt offering, in the holy place: for as the sin offering is the priest's, so is the trespass offering: it is most holy:
14 And the priest shall take some of the blood of the trespass offering, and the priest shall put it upon the tip of the right ear of him that is to be cleansed, and upon the thumb of his right hand, and upon the great toe of his right foot:
15 And the priest shall take some of the log of oil, and pour it into the palm of his own left hand:
16 And the priest shall dip his right finger in the oil that is in his left hand, and shall sprinkle of the oil with his finger seven times before the Lord:
17 And of the rest of the oil that is in his hand shall the priest put upon the tip of the right ear of him that is to be cleansed, and upon the thumb of his right hand, and upon the great toe of his right foot, upon the blood of the trespass offering:
18 And the remnant of the oil that is in the priest's hand he shall pour upon the head of him that is to be cleansed: and the priest shall make an atonement for him before the Lord.
19 And the priest shall offer the sin offering, and make an atonement for him that is to be cleansed from his uncleanness; and afterward he shall kill the burnt offering:
20 And the priest shall offer the burnt offering and the meat offering upon the altar: and the priest shall make an atonement for him, and he shall be clean.
21 And if he be poor, and cannot get so much; then he shall take one lamb for a trespass offering to be waved, to make an atonement for him, and one tenth deal of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering, and a log of oil;
22 And two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, such as he is able to get; and the one shall be a sin offering, and the other a burnt offering.
23 And he shall bring them on the eighth day for his cleansing unto the priest, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, before the Lord.
24 And the priest shall take the lamb of the trespass offering, and the log of oil, and the priest shall wave them for a wave offering before the Lord:
25 And he shall kill the lamb of the trespass offering, and the priest shall take some of the blood of the trespass offering, and put it upon the tip of the right ear of him that is to be cleansed, and upon the thumb of his right hand, and upon the great toe of his right foot:
26 And the priest shall pour of the oil into the palm of his own left hand:
27 And the priest shall sprinkle with his right finger some of the oil that is in his left hand seven times before the Lord:
28 And the priest shall put of the oil that is in his hand upon the tip of the right ear of him that is to be cleansed, and upon the thumb of his right hand, and upon the great toe of his right foot, upon the place of the blood of the trespass offering:
29 And the rest of the oil that is in the priest's hand he shall put upon the head of him that is to be cleansed, to make an atonement for him before the Lord.
30 And he shall offer the one of the turtledoves, or of the young pigeons, such as he can get;
31 Even such as he is able to get, the one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering, with the meat offering: and the priest shall make an atonement for him that is to be cleansed before the Lord.
32 This is the law of him in whom is the plague of leprosy, whose hand is not able to get that which pertaineth to his cleansing.
33 And the Lord spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying,
34 When ye be come into the land of Canaan, which I give to you for a possession, and I put the plague of leprosy in a house of the land of your possession;
35 And he that owneth the house shall come and tell the priest, saying, It seemeth to me there is as it were a plague in the house:
36 Then the priest shall command that they empty the house, before the priest go into it to see the plague, that all that is in the house be not made unclean: and afterward the priest shall go in to see the house:
37 And he shall look on the plague, and, behold, if the plague be in the walls of the house with hollow strakes, greenish or reddish, which in sight are lower than the wall;
38 Then the priest shall go out of the house to the door of the house, and shut up the house seven days:
39 And the priest shall come again the seventh day, and shall look: and, behold, if the plague be spread in the walls of the house;
40 Then the priest shall command that they take away the stones in which the plague is, and they shall cast them into an unclean place without the city:
41 And he shall cause the house to be scraped within round about, and they shall pour out the dust that they scrape off without the city into an unclean place:
42 And they shall take other stones, and put them in the place of those stones; and he shall take other morter, and shall plaister the house.
43 And if the plague come again, and break out in the house, after that he hath taken away the stones, and after he hath scraped the house, and after it is plaistered;
44 Then the priest shall come and look, and, behold, if the plague be spread in the house, it is a fretting leprosy in the house; it is unclean.
45 And he shall break down the house, the stones of it, and the timber thereof, and all the morter of the house; and he shall carry them forth out of the city into an unclean place.
46 Moreover he that goeth into the house all the while that it is shut up shall be unclean until the even.
47 And he that lieth in the house shall wash his clothes; and he that eateth in the house shall wash his clothes.
48 And if the priest shall come in, and look upon it, and, behold, the plague hath not spread in the house, after the house was plaistered: then the priest shall pronounce the house clean, because the plague is healed.
49 And he shall take to cleanse the house two birds, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:
50 And he shall kill the one of the birds in an earthen vessel over running water:
51 And he shall take the cedar wood, and the hyssop, and the scarlet, and the living bird, and dip them in the blood of the slain bird, and in the running water, and sprinkle the house seven times:
52 And he shall cleanse the house with the blood of the bird, and with the running water, and with the living bird, and with the cedar wood, and with the hyssop, and with the scarlet:
53 But he shall let go the living bird out of the city into the open fields, and make an atonement for the house: and it shall be clean.
54 This is the law for all manner of plague of leprosy, and scall,
55 And for the leprosy of a garment, and of a house,
56 And for a rising, and for a scab, and for a bright spot:
57 To teach when it is unclean, and when it is clean: this is the law of leprosy.
So there.
Doom
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Only "false" to your demon possessed religion. You reject the once for all sacrifice of Jesus for your goat god theology.
LOL :rotfl:
All of those verses are about repenting from unbelief, not from sins. :loser:
Doom
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He did not, you hell-bound pervert.
Paul clearly says that those who are crucified with Christ are free from sin. You can't even read. If you are dead to sin, then you have no relationship with sin, and therefore cannot continue in sin. You cannot be in sin and in Christ. There is no sin in Jesus.
You worship and serve a goat god.
Isn't anything before the crucifixion Old Testament?
Doom
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Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
The death of the testator is Jesus death. Therefore anything before his death is Old Testament.
Nang
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Unbelief is the root, core, basis, foundation, and source of all human sins.
oatmeal
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Well, if it actually is, then that is a problem.
Our righteousness is God's gift to us and therefore should be our focus.
As we keep ourselves focused on God's righteousness, that is the direction we will go in our lives.
Since we are to love others as we love ourselves, we should also see our fellow believers righteousness as well.
However, Ephesians 4:32 makes it clear that our fellow believers can and do things that require our forgiveness. The tables do turn, which means that we do things that our fellow believers should forgive us for.
Thus, we sin, but as you say, that is not to be our focus. Solutions, not problems are to be our focus. Solutions imply problems. We must recognize our errors in order to correct them.
Since we are righteous, does that mean we should ignore our Bibles to quit learning?
Would you agree that where we learn we can improve we should do so? Most certainly, we should not claim our righteousness at the expense of continuing in error.
Yet, in spite of our errors we do claim God's gift of righteousness.
musterion
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Yep. The four Gospel accounts are Old Testament ground, so the traditional OT/NT divide in our Bibles is incorrect. Even the apostles in early Acts operated as if still on that same ground.
musterion
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1 Jn 1:9 teaches conditional forgiveness (if/then) and so contradicts Col 2:13 and Rom 8:1.
You can NOT believe, practice and stand upon 1 John without contradicting Paul on several points, and vice versa. It is impossible.
The only way to harmonize them is to keep them exactly where they already are: separate. Two different audiences, two different commissions, two different contexts, two different dispensations. Keep that in mind and the contradiction vanishes. Seek to practice both and you twist the Word of God unto your own destruction.
oatmeal
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You could read I John 1:9 that way.
However, it need not be that way.
I John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
I John 1:9 is in the context of fellowship with God, with His son and with fellow believers, walking in light, not salvation.
I John 1:3-10
That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Do you ever apologize for wrong doing to your family or friends or co workers or fellow believers or wrongdoing to God?
Why would you since you are righteous?
Maybe because you actually did wrong and you are trying to heal the wounds you caused?
Maybe because apologizing indicates to the ones you wronged that you acknowledged you wronged them?
or would you rather just tell them you did no wrong and that you are righteous?
God's word tells us how to have healthy, growing relationships with those we love.
That includes doing right, that is claiming our righteousness, but it also includes admitting our error to the end of correcting our behavior.
Unless, of course, you wish to suggest that you have no sin.
It deals with post resurrection, post ascension, post Pentecost issues. I John 3:1-3 It speaks of the return of Christ and how that should motivate us to purify ourselves, to do right, after all we are claiming our righteousness, we should be living rightly.
Why does God have us know what is in I John ?
I John 2:1 That we sin not.
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
If we claim his righteousness we are doing a righteous act.
Since we claim righteousness we should be living accordingly.
Living accordingly means keeping His word, thus the love of God is perfected in us and we know we are in Him, that is in fellowship with God.
I John 2:5
But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
We didn't get to gifts of righteousness. No one gets in Heaven with his own righteousness
SaulToPaul 2
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Hank's ability to massage conflicting passages until they say the same thing amazes me. The root is unbelief. He's too smart, apparently, to just believe what it says. Only he, through the art and science of biblical interpretation that he has mastered, is able to tell us the "real meaning".