The earth is flat and we never went to the moon
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WizardofOz
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Let's forget the towers for now. How about the ships. Why does the bottom of the ship disappear as it goes off into the horizon? We can still plainly see the top. Why can't we see the bottom?
It can't be waves as you can tell the size of the waves in the foreground. They are not that large. How is half the ship disappearing?
If you've ever been on a boat, you've likely noticed that the size of the waves do not necessarily increase with distance from shore.
If they were waves, they would not cover the bottom of the tower 100% of the time. The bottom of the towers would be visible even briefly as the waves rose and fell. Because that's what waves do, they rise and fall.
Dave,
(image not to scale, nor very accurate, but good enough)
The dot in the center of the circle is the center of the earth.
The lines are level in relation to the center of the earth.
Yet
The lines, if they were connected, would form a curve.
Dave, you're still not understanding the scale of the earth.
The definition of level (noun) is this:
a horizontal plane or line with respect to the distance above or below a given point.
If the earth is flat, then the water level will not curve, because it is above a plane, not a point
However, on a globe, water will find its level (the lines in the image above) around a curve (the circle), because gravity pulls on every water molecule equally down towards a single point (the dot).
The lines are level at the point they are above, but move them slightly, and they would no longer be level.
Dave, a circle and a sphere is made up of infinite points. If (let's say that the sphere has gravity) you pick any one of those points, and balance a circle on it, with the center of the circle perfectly centered on the point of the sphere, all the points on the circumference of the circle will be equidistant to the center of the sphere. Move that sphere to another point, and the circle will adjust so that it is level. Now imagine for a moment that there are point size circles centered on every point around the outside of the sphere. Every single one of them will be perfectly level (with the points on the circumference of each mini-circle equidistant to the center of the sphere), yet the surface is still curved.
That is how water works on a globe, Dave. Every point on the globe water is level, but level at one point is not level for another.
There is no such thing as level on a globe. You said it yourself. Yet in every place water runs to level.
--Dave
Water always looks calm in front of larger rolling waves. Guess you never went to beach or swam in the water on the ocean.
--Dave
Dave, saying it doesn't make it so, and no, I didn't say there was no such thing as level on a sphere. I know it's hard for you, Dave, but go read what I wrote again.
Pay close attention to my illustration.
Dave, come on. Please pay attention. Waves go up and down. The horizon at does not, and the towers are not 100% visible EVER.
Have you ever been to a beach or swam in the ocean before dave? Because waves go up and down, they don't stay up all the time.
The higher you go the further into the distance you can see on a plane/flat terrain or ocean. This is what is known as the horizon line that raises to your eye level.
--Dave
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:doh:
How high would you guess this 'wave' is then? It's covering half of the ship!
You could go to the ocean every single day, calm or rough seas and see the same exact phenomenon.
WizardofOz
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Waves in the distance are are seen because of perspective to be closer than they really are and the gaps between them are not visible, only the tops of the waves are visible.
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This is more than just seeing further. How can the sun set twice? It dipped below the horizon and then it dipped again. Is it getting too far for our eyes to see? Then going straight up would not increase our viewing distance. Eyesight does not improve and higher elevations. How far do you say the sun is from the earth's surface?
This is simply not possible if the earth is flat. Moreover, if the earth was flat, the sun would be visible 24 hours a day.
Depends on the hight of the waves which is why on very calm seas we see the whole sip before it totally disappears. It's also why there is no consistency with these kind of pics and videos. There are also break points where larger waves end and then come to shore very calm.
--Dave
The sun does not set twice if you stay at one elevation. Distance is the key to why the sun disappears beyond the horizon. Planes and clouds do the same thing. We cannot see beyond the horizon line of ground or water that rises to our eye level unless it is higher and large enough to see above our horizon line.
--Dave
The sun is too low, too small, and too far away for us to see it once it is passed our horizon line. The ground or oceans block it from view, not a curved earth.
--Dave
Observation:
Everybody that's trying to "prove the globe" are thinking about it now. Wondering. Nobody who hears a lot about the enclosed flat earth and cosmos ever sees the outdoors, the sun and moon and stars the same way for the rest of their lives.
Everybody that's trying to "prove the globe" are thinking about it now. Wondering. Nobody who hears a lot about the enclosed flat earth and cosmos ever sees the outdoors, the sun and moon and stars the same way for the rest of their lives.
George Affleck
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Disagree.
Dave, does the boat ever appear again after disappearing? No? Then it's not being hidden by a wave.
George Affleck
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Some people don't understand how there can be gravity.
So they deny it.
Some people don't understand how there can be God.
So they deny Him.
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