Governments depends on our "gross ignorance and stupidity" for their power and control.
Fortunately the founders of our country through our constitution desired to free and protect us from an all powerful government.
--Dave
The earth is flat and we never went to the moon
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Governments depends on our "gross ignorance and stupidity" for their power and control.
Fortunately the founders of our country through our constitution desired to free and protect us from an all powerful government.
--Dave
If God is omnipresent, in that He can be wherever he wants to be, and "above" a spherical earth is simply outward from the center, then God only has to position Himself next to the earth, and He's above it.
On a planet, up is out, and down is in. In space, however, or at least, in null-g, up and down is relative.
Omnipresent does not mean God can be wherever he wants to be. Omnipresent means God is everywhere at the same time. Only in Dynamic Free Theism is God free to be where he wants, when he wants. Only flat earth gives God a location that is above the earth.
--Dave
Then you sorely misunderstand the Bible's representation of government.
Dave, do you think that authority flows from the people to the government?
Can you force God to be in the room where a pedophile is raping a child?
Only according to Plato and other Greek (pagan) philosophers. Again, can you force God to be where wickedness is?
No, the Bible describes God as such.
No, it doesn't, as I explained above.
God sits over the circle (the Hebrew word can also mean sphere) of the earth. From ANY direction, the spherical earth hanging in space looks like a circle.
Then you are an open theist.
But your are very poor at theology and a circle is not a sphere.
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Have you ever looked at a ball?
If not, I can tell you that it looks like a circle.
Buy a clue, Dave.
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Are you capable of thinking in three dimensions? Yes you are.
Why don't you do it then and find out what God said east from west and not north to south in that verse.
Evidently, when confronted with truth logically presented and it contradicts your error, you resort to name calling insults.
That is not a wise approach
Ball and circle are two different words with two different meanings so we can communicate clearly what we mean so no one gets confused.
--Dave
Fortunate for you stupidity is not a sin, unfortunate for us God cannot remove it from you. :rotfl:
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Well, duh! I've never claimed to be otherwise.
Dave, you do realize that the Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew, right?
You do know that Hebrew (at least at the time the OT was written) did not have separate words for circle and sphere, right?
The word used can mean either circle or sphere, depending on the context.
Also, from a distance, a sphere resembles a circle.
Then provide the verses where the word in Hebrew for circle is use as a ball.
Regardless of distance, God knows the difference between the two.
--Dave
http://creation.mobi/isaiah-40-22-circle-sphere
I encourage you, as a brother in Christ, to go through kgov.com/flat-earth thoroughly, with the same vigor you have defending the flat earth position.
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Dave, did you even bother to read through the links I provided? And you expect us to watch the videos you post? Don't be a hypocrite, Dave.
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You are such a silly guy Dave.
If God was describing the earth as He looked DOWN upon it, it's a circle. Just like WE see it when WE look DOWN upon it.
Buy a clue, Dave.
Now that you've rolled up your theological sleeves... I see the heart of a gospel workman! You are clearly full of passion to be used by Christ as a jar of clay... that He can pour Grace from.
This and this alone helps me respect your perspective more. No matter what shape the earth is... I see an undertone of witness and devotion to Jesus.
I am still following along... but it is refreshing to see the theological engine, behind your debate stance...
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Yes, I read the link and simply gave you a better one.
The link to Bob is a compilation of arguments which are already being debated here.
The argument that there is no Hebrew word for sphere is not a justification for believing the word circle can mean the same unless there is a pattern for the word for circle being used that way. All verses where the Hebrew word for circle are used clearly cannot mean sphere.
Another reason for the absence of a word for sphere is probably because God did not make earth a sphere.
--Dave
Yeah, and if He looked down on a sphere, He'd see a circle just like we do when we look at soccer balls that we've created. This is because spheres and circles are both round. In fact, a sphere is nothing at all other than a three dimensional circle.
You can't possibly believe that this concept is not a valid way of understanding that verse.
And then it goes on to crush the flat Earth moronic model into dust with argument after argument that you didn't even bother to listen too much less respond too.
David, the effect this debate has had on your reputation among people who otherwise agree with you doctrinally and who used to respect you and hold you in high regard should inform you of something. This debate would make me suspicious of every other truth claim that ever came out of your mouth. It's just flat out stupidity. Children can think more clearly that this. You ought to be embarrased and ashamed.
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