Wow, 2400 posts in this thread already. How many did the first have?
Fixed it... thanks, :e4e:.Your link is broken, fyi.
Because if VERY specific predictions that the Law of Gravity implies that all have been proven true. Predictions not just about how things happen here on the surface of the Earth but also the Moon, the Plants and their moons, asteroids, comets, you name it, they all follow Newton's Law of Gravity and every astronomy program you ever seen (dozens of which you can download at will for free) ALL use Newton's Law of Gravity to calculate the position of any celestial object you can name.I'm not dismissing all of Newton's work.
But how does Newton's law of how objects fall on earth prove gravity is the cause, or that we live on a spinning planet?
How do Newton's laws of motion prove gravity exists, or that we live on a spinning globe?
Because gravity works as if the force was emminating from the center of mass. The shape of an object has a profound effect on how things would work.Why can't these laws work on a flat earth and simply explain how the mass plus density of objects fall and move?
That's because it was very new and proper verification had not been done nor was it hardly possible at the time. That is no longer the case.Newton himself had grave reservations about his laws of gravity applied to planets. See Newton's reservations.
You're an ignorant idiot, David.Einstein's curved space-time solution to Newton's delema is based on his thought experiments. I have never seen a so called proof of curved space-time that wasn't built on imagination as is the theory itself.
See what I mean?!Link me to sights that you think demonstrate proofs of curved space-time.
Through thousands of hours of careful observation and experimentation, all of which Newton recorded in exacting detail and all of which can and has been reproduced thousands of times through history and that you could reproduce yourself if you decided you wanted too. There is literally nothing that you could cite that could possibly be more empirical than Newton's science and his Laws (all of them)."Newton's law of universal gravitation states that a particle attracts every other particle in the universe with a force which is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between their centers." Just how is this confirmed?
--Dave
Thanks for the "I'm not actually stupid" endorsement.
Gravity waves that exist throughout the universe should be evidenced everywhere all the time.
--Dave
:liberals: We KNOW "perspective" exists, belief isn't necessary except for a blind man.Perspective doesn't work for you because you don't believe it exists.
We can't "see" what lies beyond the horizon because the Earth is curved, round, an oblate spheroid. Atmospheric refraction can, on occasion, allow light from objects beyond the horizon to be visible. That this is beyond your comprehension is clear and incomprehensible to everyone else why you don't "get it".You think it can be proven that curved space-time exists by claiming a tiny spec of a star, light years away from us, was supposedly observed to have moved a tiny fraction of inch, yet, you can't observe that the ground beneath us rises to eye level to form a horizon that keeps things beyond it from our view.
Why stop at 30 miles? What would the Earth look like from 50,000, 100,000, 150,000, 200,000, or 250,000 miles away?That the horizon continues to stay straight/flat and at eye level over a stationary landscape from at least 30 miles up should be proof enough that the earth is a stationary plane and not a curved spinning globe.
Dave I pray you come back.... back to reality. Nothing wrong with investigating a theory but when it turns out to be as bankrupt as the flat earth theory it's time to abandon it and save credibility. Come back soon and tell us you thought it over and realized it was insane.To all of you
I have to take a break for a little while.
I have to attend to some business that will require my full attention.
Thank you all for great impute that I personally appreciate very much.
Don't worry, I'll be back.
--Dave
You are truly a lunatic Dave.Military always keeps hidden it's advancements, NASA is military.
Does Area 51 ring a bell? Do you think they don't keep secrets?
That they do is why I prefer not to debate what spacecraft is out there and what is or is not possible over a flat earth or globe.
--David
Hi everyone. I'm preparing a response to this video.
--Dave
Well said.Dave, These arguments have been presented to you many many times here on this thread- with no reasonable response from you. It seems like only videos mean anything to you. I do not have high expectations for your responses to the video, but I will read them.
To be fair to those who have called you names: many have tried patiently to convince you, but your attitude towards a serious discussion is completely unreasonable. Eventually people get exasperated with this behavior. Covering it with a patina of 'reasonableness' and 'well I am so polite' doesn't change the fact that you are being intellectually dishonest. So don't be surprised when people lose patience with you.
My offer to buy you a physics text still stands, though maybe a video course would be better.
Dave, These arguments have been presented to you many many times here on this thread- with no reasonable response from you. It seems like only videos mean anything to you. I do not have high expectations for your responses to the video, but I will read them.
To be fair to those who have called you names: many have tried patiently to convince you, but your attitude towards a serious discussion is completely unreasonable. Eventually people get exasperated with this behavior. Covering it with a patina of 'reasonableness' and 'well I am so polite' doesn't change the fact that you are being intellectually dishonest. So don't be surprised when people lose patience with you.
My offer to buy you a physics text still stands, though maybe a video course would be better.
Being called dishonest is as bad as being called a lunatic and I will not respond.
The person in the video simply states where he thinks flat earth arguments lack information or where flat earth folk misunderstand globe earth arguments. I use this video as an example of how one addresses an issue without ad hominem distractions. He addresses the flat earth argument not the motive or the character of a person making it.
This entire statement presumes that any argument made by anyone ought to be taken just as seriously as any other argument but stupidity ought not be brought to the level of intelligent rational discourse. Stupidity ought to be treated as stupidity and those who consistently allow stupidity to escape their lips ought to be subjected to ridicule, not treated with kit gloves and given the respect that they have not earned and do not deserve.Patience is a virtue and there are arguments about the horizon made in favor of globe earth in this video that I will argue are incorrect. After I have made my arguments I certainly want them, not my character or my motives, to be criticized and attacked so I can see if they are correct or not.
This is not a debate about physics per sa, it involves physics no doubt, but the dispute is more about observation. Laws of physics can be used for both flat and globe earth arguments but of course one side could argue that the physics employed were misapplied by the other side.
--Dave
What speaks to one's character isn't argumentation, it's the intentional, systematic and consistent act of ignoring arguments, refusing to respond to them and, most importantly, refusing to allow very simple and clearly sound reasoning to persuade one's mind. Such a person is, by definition, either stupid (i.e. an idiot) or dishonest or both.
If you're offended by it, you ought to be. The offense you feel means there's hope for your repentance. Just remember that you've brought in on yourself and needlessly so. Any honest investigation into this issue by any half way intelligent person would have been finished months ago.
This entire statement presumes that any argument made by anyone ought to be taken just as seriously as any other argument but stupidity ought not be brought to the level of intelligent rational discourse. Stupidity ought to be treated as stupidity and those who consistently allow stupidity to escape their lips ought to be subjected to ridicule, not treated with kit gloves and given the respect that they have not earned and do not deserve.
You want to be given respect for free! You want the respect that you chose to squander returned to you at no cost. What you're fixing to learn is that it's a whole lot easier to spend something than it is to earn it.
Clete
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For the sake of my argument I will agree with the argument made in this video that the scale of how far we can see compared to the size of the earth means the earth is "virtually flat" regardless of the model we use. But, in the flat earth model the ground beneath our feet to as far as we can see, even with a telephoto lens, is "actually flat". In the globe model the ground beneath our feet is gradually dropping away from us and is not actually flat.
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For the sake of my argument I will agree with the argument made in this video that the scale of how far we can see compared to the size of the earth means the earth is "virtually flat" regardless of the model we use. But, in the flat earth model the ground beneath our feet to as far as we can see, even with a telephoto lens, is "actually flat". In the globe model the ground beneath our feet is gradually dropping away from us and is not actually flat.
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Dave I hope all is well!
I have a question for you. Do you think the flat earth maps that all the flat earth people use and accept can possibly be accurate?
After all....
If the earth is a globe and looks like this...
You can drive from Brisbane Australia to Perth Australia in about 46 hours or fly on a commercial jetliner in about five and half hours. This can be verified by the literally millions of people whom have made this trip.
But if the earth looks like this....
Australia would then be about 2 times the width of the United States as we can see here...
And therefore it would take you 92 hours to drive from Brisbane Australia to Perth Australia and over 11 hours to fly from city to city.
On a flat earth here is the trip from Brisbane to Perth Australia...
Dave can you admit the the flat earth map that is used on a consistent basis by flat earth proponents cannot possibly accurate based on these facts?
Thanks in advance for your time.