Arsenios
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And takes discernment...
AFTER being discipled in obedience in the Apostolic Body of Christ...
Arsenios
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And takes discernment...
AFTER being discipled in obedience in the Apostolic Body of Christ...
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Nang
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You testify wrongly, and prove your Gnosticism, by revealing you believe in a supposed "dualism" of powers.
Since the cross, Satan has been bound by the power of the True Gospel preached to all the nations. Revelation 20:1-4
He will not be loosed, until shortly before the end of time, to deceive the nations one last time. Rev. 20:7-8
Her "spam any verse" satanic technique.
Nope. Your father the devil's words that you speak for him, Lies," is a lie.
So there, you vile, Christ rejecting child of the devil.
Is. 53:7 KJV
He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
No sacrificial language is intended here, as slaughter merely means "shambles," as it foretold of the Christ's earthly life of "humbling Himself", and suffering.
musterion
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She agrees-she asserts that her saint Judas preached 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV.
Satanic.
Ssssssssssss.........
No, she didn't. You can't show one verse, that shows that she, or the 12, or Lazarus knew the good news of 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV, you wicked Christ rejector.
Nang
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II Corinthians 11:13-15 speaks of false teachers and devilish prophets who remain enslaved to Satan. Paul was not speaking of Satan himself.
But the power of Satan to deceive to sons of God is presently bound by the preaching of the Gospel of Grace and Truth.
Satan cannot deceive regenerated Christians. His power over them is broken.
That's your best shot, Christ rejecting, flip the bird at the LORD God Clavinist child of the devil? An emotional spam? Weighty.
Funny-a witchiepoo, Nag like you, referring to others as losers? We can tell when you are online, as the stench of your Calvinist sulfur permeates TOL.
No, you vile fraud, I explained the verse, straight from the book, and you, because your final authority is your "Deformed" Statement of Faith, and not the bible, you craftily dismiss it, and don't get it, per that 2 Cor. 4:4 KJV problem of yours, "elect to hell" drone. Your father the devil taught you that, you old lady loser.
So there.
And did your husband "Jimmie," teach you that "Johnny" phrase, old Naggie? Cute.....You must lead him by the "apron strings," eh you vile witchiepoo? Yes.....
Anything else, "PigPen" Naggie? That is your new name, as that is your act on TOL, as you litter every thread, with your satanic Calvinist "doctrine."
I do not follow your false Christ.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
You asssume that all men were spiritually dumb.
LA
heir
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vs.
2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2 Corinthians 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
No, he didn't, as only a drunk/lush, or child of the devil, could assess the above verses, as such.
Child of the devil, or lush-no other option.
You can't show one verse, that shows that she, or the 12, or Lazarus knew the good news of 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV, you wicked Christ rejector.
It was hid from them, as you've been shown for years, but your father the devil keeps urging you to deny the book, diminish from it, add to it, you vile Christ rejector. He taught you that in Genesis.
musterion
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Her attempt at subtlety. Screaming "Great is Diana of the Ephesians!" for hours would be too much of a giveaway.
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Luk 24:48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
Luk 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
The disciples knew all about the whole gospel before Paul,
who himself obeyed the original message of Peter.
Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Luk 1:77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
Joh 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
Joh 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Joh 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Act 11:13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
Act 11:14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Act 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
Act 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
LA
Made up. She spams the same deceit, as Luke 24 was later. She has been shown this numerous times, but denies that the below should be in the bible:
Luke 18 KJV
31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.
The 12 did not know of the impending dbr-it was hid from them, until later in the Lord's ministry-and yet, prior to them knowing, they were preaching "the gospel of the kingdom:"
"For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day. But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him." Mark 9:31-32 KJV
"Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken." Luke 18:31-34 KJV
"For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead." John 20:9 KJV
Peter tried to prevent the Lord Jesus Christ's death, and His death was a key component of 1 Cor. 15:1-4:
"From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee" Mt. 16:21-22 KJV
"And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him." Mark 8:31-32 KJV
Even after the Lord's death, burial, and resurrection, the 12 initially did not believe it:
"And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted." Mt. 28:17 KJV
"And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not. After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country. And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them. Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen." Mark 16:11 KJV
"And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest. It was Mary Magdalene and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles. And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not." Luke 24:9-11 KJV
" And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?" Luke 24:41 KJV
Therefore, they were not preaching the dbr, "the gospel" of 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV, as a basis of justification, at least prior to its occurrence, but they were preaching the gospel of the kingdom. Therefore, they are not the same "the" gospels, "good news." This "argument" that there is just one "the gospel," just one piece of good news, self-destructs, "commits suicide". There is plenty of "good news"(and bad news) in the book-the context tells us what "good news"/gospel is in view.
LALiar.
Mocking You
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I was going to post that Luke 24 was AFTER the resurrection, as are the other verses posted, except this one:
Matt 1:21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.”
What's your take on this verse?
Nang
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I do not see any denials of scripture in LA's statement.
But there is a long list of MADists denying scripture just this day:
STP believes he is sinless because he rose with Christ in Christ's bodily resurrection.
STP denies there is any Kingdom of God existent on this earth.
Heir denies that Christ reigns as King over His kingdom at this present time.
Heir denies that Satan's power was destroyed by Christ on the cross.
John W denies that Isaiah 53 taught anything about Messiah's death being sacrificial.
GM denies there is anything more to the Gospel message than I Corinthians :1-4.
But, I am sure you see nothing wrong with any of these errors, and you surely would not threaten your friends with hellfire, would you, if they be wrong?
This is the worst case of collective brainwashing I have ever witnessed, and I spent years in a Dispensational church which I considered then to be Hyper, but they knew their bibles a whole lot better than any of you MADs do.
They never denied Jesus sacrificially bore the sins of His people; they never denied His heavenly authority and Kingdom rule as King, they never denied grace was taught in the O.T.; they never taught a dualistic and equal power between God and Satan; they never denied they were sinners.
MAD has gone radical, and will continually find they must tweak scripture, just to keep from drowning in their own muck.
Just yesterday they denied the blood of the atonement of Christ on His cross; saying the Incarnation and Second Coming (visitations) are both "atonements."
On and on it goes . . from bad to worse . . . headed for self-destruction.
All due to terrible, illogical, unbiblical, poor and pitiful, self-serving and invented theological garbage . . .
She had no idea that he would die, be raised, and that would be the basis of justification. Most read into that today, "in hindsight." Through reading, studying, the OT, many had an "idea" of a Messiah/Christ, whoo would deliver them, both physically, and spiritually, but it was "fuzzy," and hid in scriptures-for a purpose(another thread). Even the prophets did not "get it:"
1 Peter 1 KJV
8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
The content of faith did change.....progressive revelation...
Again:
What was the content of faith required in Mt.-John, at least prior to the dbr?
"Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God." Mt. 14:33 KJV
"And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." Mt. 16:16 KJV
(comment: and with the 16:18 "upon this rock" statement by the Lord Jesus Christ, our Saviour was setting the "foundation", i.e., the "rock", upon which the kingdom church, the "little flock" church(Luke 12:32 )would be built upon-their faith would rest upon the foundation that He was " the Christ, the Son of the living God.")
"And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ." Mark 8:29 KJV
"He said unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Peter answering said, The Christ of God." Luke 9:20 KJV
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name." Jn. 1:12 KJV
"Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did." Jn. 2:23 KJV
"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." Jn. 3:18 KJV
"And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world." Jn 4:42 KJV
"And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God." Jn. 6:69 KJV
"She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world." Jn. 11:27 KJV
"But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name." Jn. 20:31 KJV
No change in the message in "early" Acts:
"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ." Acts 2:36 KJV
"And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all." Acts 3:16 KJV
"Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole." Acts 4:10 KJV
"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12 KJV
"And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ." Acts 4:42 KJV
"And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God." Acts 8:37 KJV
No change in the message by Paul, early in his ministry, before he was progressively/gradually(i.e., progressive revelation:Acts 9:9 KJV Acts 9:16 KJV; Acts 22:10-17 KJV("trance"); Acts 26:16 KJV; 1 Cor. 11:23 KJV; 2 Cor. 12:1 KJV; Gal. 2:2 KJV; Eph. 3:3 KJV; Col. 1:25 KJV; "But now"-Romans 16:26 KJV, Eph. 2:13 KJV, Col. 1:26 KJV/ Notice Paul spent 3 years in Arabia per Galatians 1:17-18 KJV!(3 years! I find this amazing! Could that be Mt. Sinai? ), being given the revelation of the mystery, from the risen, ascended, and glorified Lord Jesus Christ, from heaven(not earth),and the prophetic program was progressively/gradually(but temporarily) set aside:
"And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God." Acts 9:20 KJV
"But Saul increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelt at Damascus, proving that this is very Christ." Acts 9:22 KJV
That was the "content of faith" then-no mention of the death, burial, resurrection...faith in His name, who He was...
Notice the change in Acts 13:
Paul presents the "outline" of 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV, the only gospel that will save in the current dispensation we are under :
Verse 13:28:"And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain." = the death of the Lord Jesus Christ
Verse 13:29: "And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre."=the burial of the Lord Jesus Christ
Verse 13:30: "But God raised him from the dead:..." =the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ
And notice the gradual change in the message, as Paul boldly states:
"Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses." Acts 13:38-39 KJV
No one preached 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV, at least prior to the dbr, as a basis for justification-no scripture states this. Not one.
Not even satan, and his minions, knew of it-part of the mystery...
1 Cor. 2 KJV
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
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