The citadel of free will is a mirage.
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Mankind attempts to deny Messiah His birthright, by claiming sovereignty or freedom of the will.
Yes, they agree that all authority has been given Him, except in the throne of the will of man. At that throne, the Eternal Almighty is expected to bow down.
" Yea, hath Elohim said....?"
"Ye shalt not surely die".
These two verse are evidence of the first attempt to dethrone the Almighty in the heart* of man. We are all painfully aware of the result. Some of us are blissfully aware of the remedy. Amen.
heart* not the blood pump
Yes, they agree that all authority has been given Him, except in the throne of the will of man. At that throne, the Eternal Almighty is expected to bow down.
" Yea, hath Elohim said....?"
"Ye shalt not surely die".
These two verse are evidence of the first attempt to dethrone the Almighty in the heart* of man. We are all painfully aware of the result. Some of us are blissfully aware of the remedy. Amen.
heart* not the blood pump
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Epoisses
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Just like the Reformed replace faith with their twisted understanding of predestination. They can never admit that predestination is always predicated by foreknowledge. God chooses those whom he foreknows. Predestination is not arbitrary like the deceived Truster touts and flaunts and gloats in arrogance and pride. Conversion is the result of the Holy Spirit leading someone there from birth. We are led to conversion from very early on just like Saul of Tarsus the dysfunctional sheep resisted over and over until Christ placed the final straw on top that broke his back.
Joshua 24:15 KJV
(15) And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
No mirage there.
(15) And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
No mirage there.
Predestination is a mis-translation. The correct and more powerfilled term is predetermination. The Almighty has foreknowledge of all that occurs in time, because He predetermined all in a single decree.
That's whom I serve, worship and trust.
The "god" of your imagination turns this way and that at every event that takes it by surprise. You're welcome to keep it.
There was no invitation to the people to serve Yah Veh...are you that blind?
I would rather gouge my own eyes out than read that.
They didn't choose life because they couldn't choose life. It was to show them their inability and it did.
Why don't you tell us how you really feel, instead of all this subtlety? :chuckle:
I'm kidding Truster.
GOD does not make idle requests.
And there is nothing in the context of the verse to even suggest it is an idle request.
If you wish to trust GOD's word, then trust what it says and stop imposing your own tradition to it.
When interpreting scripture it's important to understand events prior and after, in the historical context.
Speaking of which, FWIW, Martin Luther in his Bondage of the Will argued that God's commands were, in essence, idle. That they are written only to show us what we can't do, and that God knew we couldn't obey Him when He wrote the Scripture; something deeply cynical and fatalistic like that. I think Protestants should know that better, so that they know the intellectual foundation upon which we stand, so that we can be careful.
Nang
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Please attribute Luther so saying, with a direct quote, please.
Nihilo...
I fully believe that God is the origin of human free will and further more... God has bound none of us with the inability to choose good or evil. Every day we exist is full of "choices". Human-Free-Will was always intended by God. I'm assuming that you are taking this stance? Please correct me if I am wrong.
I do believe that only God is actually Good by all Law of scripture and Moral inclination. We do well sometimes... But only God is Good. This above all matters is why all of us are responsible for our own failure, and hopefully become inclined to lay all of it at the feet of the Cross and in the depths of Christ's tomb.
- EE
No. I provided a synopsis. Read him yourself.
No Christian needs to know of what Martin Luther thinks.
Nang
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That is the most ignorant thing I have ever seen you post . . .
He indeed said this... it is very visible in his coining the phrase... "If thou sin... sin boldly".
Ironically... Luther coined another term to defend his stance... but He clearly discerned that the Law is only "kept" by GOD.