Nang
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We are to live by faith, not by sight.
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We are to live by faith, not by sight.
Unless those men are Apostles.
Unless they are Apostolic in origin.
:AMR: The first council was recorded in Acts. Do you deny that council's findings? How about the councils concerning the Trinity: do you deny that the Trinity is inspired?
Unless they are Apostolic in origin.
I also have views.
You could justify almost anything with that proof text. I'm pretty sure that Paul would disagree with you using it to justify avoiding the Church that the Lord built upon Peter.
Right Divider
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Paul was not in that church.
The first Church council was all about that yes, Paul was, and yes, Gentiles were too.
Right Divider
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Just more empty claims on your part. Paul was NOT part of the church of the twelve, otherwise they would NOT have agreed to keep the ministries separate. See Galatians 2.
Ay ay ay. Referencing an event recorded in Scripture is no empty claim. You introduce an artificial, made up distinction between multiple churches, when we read Paul regularly using the phrase "the Church" in his epistles---almost as if there's only One Church that he's talking about. :think:
Nang
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I do not avoid the teaching of one true "church"; I simply believe she is built upon the Person of Jesus Christ, rather than Peter.
And I am pretty sure both Peter and Paul would agree with me . . .
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The reason that Paul said "the church" is because he was speaking about a specific church. He also uses the term "the churches" sometimes.
Rom 16:16 (AKJV/PCE)
(16:16) Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you.
1Cor 11:16 (AKJV/PCE)
(11:16) But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.
You force your doctrine on the Bible instead of getting your doctrine FROM the Bible. Notice in 1 Cor 11:16 Paul makes a distinction between WE and the "churches of God".
The "church which is His body" is a different church from the one that was fully Israelite both in Jerusalem and in the wilderness.
glassjester
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Paul and the 12 were not one Church?
Then is Christ divided? (1 Corinthians 1:13)
We know the Church is Christ's body. (Colossians 1:18)
And that Christ's body is one. (Romans 12:5)
And that in Christ, their is neither Jew nor gentile. (Galatians 3:28)
So why do you claim Christ's body (the Church) is not one?
I ask again: Is Christ divided?
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No, Christ is not divided, But He does have a TWO-FOLD plan that has not yet been joined into ONE.
Eph 1:10 (AKJV/PCE)
(1:10) That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; [even] in him:
I understand that an fully indoctrinated "Catholic" like yourself has a terribly hard time with what the scripture actually teaches, but that's just too bad.
Why do you suppose that Christ taught the TWELVE apostles that they would judge the TWELVE tribes of Israel? Did Christ not know about Galatians 3:28? (Yes, I'm aware that He knows all things).
The RCC tries to steal Israel's place in the world. But God is NOT currently working on that part of His plans. He is currently building a body of believers that are seated in heavenly place and that are not under the Law as was Israel in its earthly kingdom.
glassjester
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Then why, in Christ, is there neither Jew nor gentile?
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That is what is going on in the dispensation of the grace of God. It was not always like that.
God separated Israel for a purpose and He will fulfill that purpose in the future.
Cruciform
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The problem is that you don't learn at all---not even from the basic principles of rational thought.
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Good thing, then, that the Catholic Church teaches no such doctrine, and never has.
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Cruciform
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Given that the Catholic Church existed for a millennium-and-a-half BEFORE a single Protestant ever managed to stumble onto the scene, it's more accurate to say that Protestants have a totally different definition of grace.
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Cruciform
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Post your proof. :yawn:
Cruciform
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...according to the entirely non-authoritative opinions issued by HS's preferred recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect, anyway. :yawn:
glassjester
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But presently, in Christ, there is neither Jew nor gentile?
So was Paul not part of any church?
Or was he part of a separate church?