Catholics are lost...they don't know how to get to Heaven....they are under condemnation...They follow man and not God
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what do you expect from totally depraved people?
-do you even know what those words mean?
Sad...
Exodus 20:4 THOU SHALT NOT make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Leviticus 26:1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to BOW DOWN unto it: for I am the LORD your God.
Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
John Calvin — probably the best Calvinist there ever was — put it this way:
“since God’s will is said to be the cause of all things, I have made His providence the determinative principle for all human plans and works.” 7*
It was “by the predestination of God, Adam fell.” 8
Calvinists will commonly point out that, if God chooses to save some, He does no wrong to the rest who deserve to be condemned.
But on closer inspection of Calvin, humans are not ultimately condemned because they are sinners.
They are condemned because God has willed their condemnation — yes, independent of any sin they have committed. 9
As Calvin puts it, “If we cannot assign any reason for His bestowing mercy on His people, but just that it so pleases Him, neither can we have any reason for His reprobating others but His will.
When God is said to visit in mercy or harden whom He will, men are reminded that they are not to seek for any cause beyond His will.” 10
~ Paul Copan
so you take the word of a man?
-the bible does not contain the word total or deprave
You read king james?
he has a catholic book
calvinism is the doctrine of devils
dodge
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Christians in the 1st century followed Jesus NOT a pope nor did they pray to the dead and Mary, and they did not advocate nor did they practice idolatry as do R.C.'s
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-some tell us we are totally depraved
-others tell us they are saved
-some tell us we worship statues
-others tell us they don't sin
-some tell us Jesus is not God
-who can you trust?
-you can trust the church Jesus gave us
-others tell us they are saved
-some tell us we worship statues
-others tell us they don't sin
-some tell us Jesus is not God
-who can you trust?
-you can trust the church Jesus gave us
The Church Paul started
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So, then, no substantive response---let alone refutation---whatsoever. That's what I thought. :yawn:
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Just more wholly unsubstantiated assertions fed to TB by her preferred recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect. Not impressed. I'll stick with the authoritative teachings of Christ's one historic Catholic Church.
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That's nice, but you failed to actually answer the question. Here it is again:
QUESTION: In the 1st-century Early Church, were those who entered the Church in response to the apostles' teachings permitted to believe contrary to what their leaders (the apostles) told them to believe, yes or no?
Gaudium de veritate,
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dodge
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1st century Christians were not R.C.'s they did NOT practice idolatry as do R.C.'s nor did they pray to Mary or dead folks.
Your question was answered you cannot handle the truth.