ECT "THE CHURCH": A Description of the Biblical Data

[Cruciform]

CHURCH

Ekklesia (Greek): refers to an "assembly" or "congregation" of people. The words is used 23 times in Acts and 91 times in the rest of the New Testament.

The term was broadly applied in Greek literature to several types of social or political gatherings, but more narrowly applied in the Greek Old Testament to the worshiping assembly of Israel (Deut. 9:10; Josh. 8:35; 1 Kings 8:65). With the exception of Acts 19:32, this latter usage is closest to the New Testament meaning of the word.

Jesus was the first to use a Semitic equivalent of this term for the covenant community he founded and entrusted to the apostles (Mt. 16:18; 18:17). Thereafter it became the normal designation for local Churches (Rom. 16:16; 1 Cor. 1:2) and for the collective body of local communities that make up the universal Church (Acts 9:31; Eph. 3:10; 5:23).

This worldwide congregation is governed by an apostolic hierarchy (1 Cor. 12:28) and is one with the assembly of angels and saints in the heavenly Jerusalem (Heb. 12:22-23).*​

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*IGNATIUS CATHOLIC STUDY BIBLE: NEW TESTAMENT, 2nd Catholic Edition (Ignatius Press, 2010), p. 215.

 

[Cross Reference]

CHURCH

Ekklesia (Greek): refers to an "assembly" or "congregation" of people. The words is used 23 times in Acts and 91 times in the rest of the New Testament.

The term was broadly applied in Greek literature to several types of social or political gatherings, but more narrowly applied in the Greek Old Testament to the worshiping assembly of Israel (Deut. 9:10; Josh. 8:35; 1 Kings 8:65). With the exception of Acts 19:32, this latter usage is closest to the New Testament meaning of the word.

Jesus was the first to use a Semitic equivalent of this term for the covenant community he founded and entrusted to the apostles (Mt. 16:18; 18:17). Thereafter it became the normal designation for local Churches (Rom. 16:16; 1 Cor. 1:2) and for the collective body of local communities that make up the universal Church (Acts 9:31; Eph. 3:10; 5:23).

This worldwide congregation is governed by an apostolic hierarchy (1 Cor. 12:28) and is one with the assembly of angels and saints in the heavenly Jerusalem (Heb. 12:22-23).*​

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*IGNATIUS CATHOLIC STUDY BIBLE: NEW TESTAMENT, 2nd Catholic Edition (Ignatius Press, 2010), p. 215.

If he came today, do you really believe Jesus would approve of what is commonly known as the Roman church.

 

[Cruciform]

"This message is hidden because Cross Reference is on your ignore list."

 

[Cross Reference]

When you cease to be "Spirit-led," you soon become traditional. So in the long run, there are only two divisions: traditionalist and Spirit-led. All traditionalists end up becoming another sect within institutional Christianity while the Spirit-led rarely find affinity with an organized group. So much for the institualized church __any traditional church.

 

[oatmeal]

CHURCH

Ekklesia (Greek): refers to an "assembly" or "congregation" of people. The words is used 23 times in Acts and 91 times in the rest of the New Testament.

The term was broadly applied in Greek literature to several types of social or political gatherings, but more narrowly applied in the Greek Old Testament to the worshiping assembly of Israel (Deut. 9:10; Josh. 8:35; 1 Kings 8:65). With the exception of Acts 19:32, this latter usage is closest to the New Testament meaning of the word.

Jesus was the first to use a Semitic equivalent of this term for the covenant community he founded and entrusted to the apostles (Mt. 16:18; 18:17). Thereafter it became the normal designation for local Churches (Rom. 16:16; 1 Cor. 1:2) and for the collective body of local communities that make up the universal Church (Acts 9:31; Eph. 3:10; 5:23).

This worldwide congregation is governed by an apostolic hierarchy (1 Cor. 12:28) and is one with the assembly of angels and saints in the heavenly Jerusalem (Heb. 12:22-23).*​

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*IGNATIUS CATHOLIC STUDY BIBLE: NEW TESTAMENT, 2nd Catholic Edition (Ignatius Press, 2010), p. 215.

assembly in Acts 19:32 is an accurate translation

ekklesia means called out.

the called out in Acts 19:32 was a union mob called out because they were unhappy with the word that Paul and others were teaching

 

[DAN P]

assembly in Acts 19:32 is an accurate translation

ekklesia means called out.

the called out in Acts 19:32 was a union mob called out because they were unhappy with the word that Paul and others were teaching

Hi , and it is still happening , Acts 2 , Pentecostals are still UN-HAPPY with Paul and can not still understand what he wrote , just like the RCC in Matt 16:18 " I will build " my EKKLESIA , which is in the Future Tense as is " Bind and Bound " which is in the Greek Perfect Tense and is all Greek to BOTH OF YOU !!:deadhorse::deadhorse:

dan p

 

[Cruciform]

...just like the RCC in Matt 16:18 " I will build " my EKKLESIA , which is in the Future Tense...

So what?

 

[Cruciform]

Still awaiting a meaningful Protestant (non-Catholic) response... :yawn:

 

[genuineoriginal]

CHURCH

Ekklesia (Greek): refers to an "assembly" or "congregation" of people. The words is used 23 times in Acts and 91 times in the rest of the New Testament.

The term was broadly applied in Greek literature to several types of social or political gatherings, but more narrowly applied in the Greek Old Testament to the worshiping assembly of Israel (Deut. 9:10; Josh. 8:35; 1 Kings 8:65). With the exception of Acts 19:32, this latter usage is closest to the New Testament meaning of the word.

Jesus was the first to use a Semitic equivalent of this term for the covenant community he founded and entrusted to the apostles (Mt. 16:18; 18:17). Thereafter it became the normal designation for local Churches (Rom. 16:16; 1 Cor. 1:2) and for the collective body of local communities that make up the universal Church (Acts 9:31; Eph. 3:10; 5:23).

This worldwide congregation is governed by an apostolic hierarchy (1 Cor. 12:28) and is one with the assembly of angels and saints in the heavenly Jerusalem (Heb. 12:22-23).*​

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*IGNATIUS CATHOLIC STUDY BIBLE: NEW TESTAMENT, 2nd Catholic Edition (Ignatius Press, 2010), p. 215.

If you know that the Bible uses the word ekklesia, why do you insist the word should be mistranslated as "church"?

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The Assembly-Ekklesia, vs the Church

This word "church" is the word used in most English Bible versions as a rendering for the Greek word "Ekklesia." However, the Greek word "Ekklesia" means "out-calling," from ek = out (where we get the word exit), and kaleo = to call. This word also describes, in English, an "Assembly," "a meeting," or "an out-gathering." In Hebrew the word translated "congregation" or "Assembly" is qahal. In both the Tanakh (Hebrew Scriptures) and also in the Greek writings (New Testament), the affairs of "State" or "Government" were equally as important to discuss in the Assembly as were the Religious affairs. Both subjects were debated and discussed during the gatherings, i.e. of the Assembly-Ekklesia.

The origin of the word "church" is from kuriakon or kyriakon in Greek. It means a building (the house of Kurios, or house of the Lord). Pagan deities with names similar to "Lord" were "Larth, Loride, and Lordo." The "Church" which evolved after Constantine fused the Messianic Belief with Pagan Sun-worship, was very enthusiastic to secure as many followers as possible, even if meant to compromise Scripture or to assimilate pagans. In the modern Church, these things still continue to happen when Churches combine and tolerate pagan beliefs in order to become "all-inclusive" to all people. Churches do this by accepting and accommodating as members, people from various racial groups who have customs and cultures that are completely foreign to the Assembly-Ekklesia of True Israelite Believers, or who continue to eat foods that violate YHWH (Yahweh)'s Food Law.
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[genuineoriginal]

Still awaiting a meaningful Protestant (non-Catholic) response... :yawn:

You wouldn't know one if you saw it instead of seeing, "This message is hidden because someone is on your ignore list."

 

[Cruciform]

Still waiting...

 

[vfirestormv]

CHURCH

Ekklesia (Greek): refers to an "assembly" or "congregation" of people. The words is used 23 times in Acts and 91 times in the rest of the New Testament.

The term was broadly applied in Greek literature to several types of social or political gatherings, but more narrowly applied in the Greek Old Testament to the worshiping assembly of Israel (Deut. 9:10; Josh. 8:35; 1 Kings 8:65). With the exception of Acts 19:32, this latter usage is closest to the New Testament meaning of the word.

Jesus was the first to use a Semitic equivalent of this term for the covenant community he founded and entrusted to the apostles (Mt. 16:18; 18:17). Thereafter it became the normal designation for local Churches (Rom. 16:16; 1 Cor. 1:2) and for the collective body of local communities that make up the universal Church (Acts 9:31; Eph. 3:10; 5:23).

This worldwide congregation is governed by an apostolic hierarchy (1 Cor. 12:28) and is one with the assembly of angels and saints in the heavenly Jerusalem (Heb. 12:22-23).*​

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*IGNATIUS CATHOLIC STUDY BIBLE: NEW TESTAMENT, 2nd Catholic Edition (Ignatius Press, 2010), p. 215.

What He didn't set up was a mediator between man and Christ ieope... Neither did He set up anyone that had authority to add to or subtract from scripture. In fact He gave grave warnings against it.

 

[Cruciform]

What He didn't set up was a mediator between man and Christ ieope...

How, exactly, do you know this, friend? Where did you get your information?

Neither did He set up anyone that had authority to add to or subtract from scripture. In fact He gave grave warnings against it.

Amen. Fortunately, the one historic Catholic Church has never "added" to Scripture, but teaches that the canon of Scripture was closed by the end of the first century.



Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
+T+

 

[HisServant]

CHURCH

Ekklesia (Greek): refers to an "assembly" or "congregation" of people. The words is used 23 times in Acts and 91 times in the rest of the New Testament.

The term was broadly applied in Greek literature to several types of social or political gatherings, but more narrowly applied in the Greek Old Testament to the worshiping assembly of Israel (Deut. 9:10; Josh. 8:35; 1 Kings 8:65). With the exception of Acts 19:32, this latter usage is closest to the New Testament meaning of the word.

Jesus was the first to use a Semitic equivalent of this term for the covenant community he founded and entrusted to the apostles (Mt. 16:18; 18:17). Thereafter it became the normal designation for local Churches (Rom. 16:16; 1 Cor. 1:2) and for the collective body of local communities that make up the universal Church (Acts 9:31; Eph. 3:10; 5:23).

This worldwide congregation is governed by an apostolic hierarchy (1 Cor. 12:28) and is one with the assembly of angels and saints in the heavenly Jerusalem (Heb. 12:22-23).*​

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*IGNATIUS CATHOLIC STUDY BIBLE: NEW TESTAMENT, 2nd Catholic Edition (Ignatius Press, 2010), p. 215.

So you believe Jesus spoke exclusively GREEK during his ministry and inspired the gospels to be written in GREEK?

We all know that isn't the truth, so your argument is based on a false assumption (as history has shown is typical for you) from the get-go.

Try again.

I really got a good laugh out of your lame attempt at 'logic' again.

Jesus' ministry was to the Jews... he spoke to them in Hebrew or Aramaic (Depending on the audience). Greek was the language of the enemy, so had he spoke it, it would have damaged his ministry.

 

[Nick M]

The term was broadly applied in Greek literature to several types of social or political gatherings, but more narrowly applied in the Greek Old Testament to the worshiping assembly of Israel (Deut. 9:10; Josh. 8:35; 1 Kings 8:65). With the exception of Acts 19:32, this latter usage is closest to the New Testament meaning of the word.

As soon as you accept that you are a part of the universal (catholic-small "c") church headed by Paul, most of your difficulties will go away.

 

[Cruciform]

So you believe Jesus spoke exclusively GREEK during his ministry and inspired the gospels to be written in GREEK?

Jesus' first language was Aramaic. When his apostolic followers began to record his words and deeds some decades after Christ's ascension, however, they did so primarily in Koine Greek. This is a simple fact of which even beginning Bible students are fully aware.

 

[Cruciform]

As soon as you accept that you are a part of the universal (catholic-small "c") church headed by Paul, most of your difficulties will go away.

Sorry, but I simply find the assumptions and opinions of your preferred recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect to be somewhat less than compelling.

 

[wonderingjew]

Oh No!!!!

Oh No!!!!

CHURCH

Ekklesia (Greek): refers to an "assembly" or "congregation" of people. The words is used 23 times in Acts and 91 times in the rest of the New Testament.



Jesus was the first to use a Semitic equivalent of this term for the covenant community he founded and entrusted to the apostles (Mt. 16:18; 18:17). Thereafter it became the normal designation for local Churches (Rom. 16:16; 1 Cor. 1:2) and for the collective body of local communities that make up the universal Church (Acts 9:31; Eph. 3:10; 5:23).


Shalom!
I think if we over think this we get into a barrel of mad monkeys so I was wondering if the actual Hebrew feel to this word is of any use to you. A flock of Sheep. Period. One Shepherd and His flock. In any event the "Church" as described by you had to have begun in the wilderness at the foot of the Mountain in Exodus and perhaps even as far back as Jacob and his sons. Just wondering.​

 

[patrick jane]

the church is the body of Christ. body of believers. Christ followers

 

[dreadknought]

If you know that the Bible uses the word ekklesia, why do you insist the word should be mistranslated as "church"?

_____
The Assembly-Ekklesia, vs the Church

This word "church" is the word used in most English Bible versions as a rendering for the Greek word "Ekklesia." However, the Greek word "Ekklesia" means "out-calling," from ek = out (where we get the word exit), and kaleo = to call. This word also describes, in English, an "Assembly," "a meeting," or "an out-gathering." In Hebrew the word translated "congregation" or "Assembly" is qahal. In both the Tanakh (Hebrew Scriptures) and also in the Greek writings (New Testament), the affairs of "State" or "Government" were equally as important to discuss in the Assembly as were the Religious affairs. Both subjects were debated and discussed during the gatherings, i.e. of the Assembly-Ekklesia.

The origin of the word "church" is from kuriakon or kyriakon in Greek. It means a building (the house of Kurios, or house of the Lord). Pagan deities with names similar to "Lord" were "Larth, Loride, and Lordo." The "Church" which evolved after Constantine fused the Messianic Belief with Pagan Sun-worship, was very enthusiastic to secure as many followers as possible, even if meant to compromise Scripture or to assimilate pagans. In the modern Church, these things still continue to happen when Churches combine and tolerate pagan beliefs in order to become "all-inclusive" to all people. Churches do this by accepting and accommodating as members, people from various racial groups who have customs and cultures that are completely foreign to the Assembly-Ekklesia of True Israelite Believers, or who continue to eat foods that violate YHWH (Yahweh)'s Food Law.
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