heir
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Technically, the kingdom preached in M, M, L and J is the kingdom of heaven. Paul was not preaching the kingdom of heaven, but that is what jamie believes he was preaching. Go study. Both of you!
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Nope.
The terms are used interchangeably - quit being too literal.
Go study...properly :chuckle:
heir
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"The kingdom of heaven is a subset of the kingdom of God"~STP
I could not have said it any better!
Lol - you and your exclamation points.
And so, the STP replaces the KJV :chuckle:
And geez, where are all the MADs - what; are you and STP their leader? MADs...take me to your leader :crackup:
heir
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I can see that the kingdom of heaven offered in M, M, L and John is in the kingdom of God. I can also see that the church, the Body of Christ is in the kingdom of God, but not in the kingdom of heaven as the kingdom of heaven has a different gospel, doctrine, duty and inheritance.
Brother SaulToPaul's quote is concise compared to me having to say all of that so I borrowed it and gave him credit for it. I did not replace the KJB with it. Get over yourself.
whitestone
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which are these though?,,,there are one of the first ress.,and the second death has no power over them. then afterwards there is another in the second ress. judged differently,from that written in the books? how is it that they are different and the same?...Then again it's another’s letter and the BOC are not present and of either of these two group groups?
There you go - reading into a thing.
I did not say I disagreed with his take on the KOH being a subset within the KOG.
When I disagree, I say so. You know that.
It's what rattles you so. You are used to being told you are o so right all the time :crackup:
That same, but different, that I mentioned...went right past you.
Go back and reread my post to jamie in agreement with yours to her.
Reread it...slowly :chuckle:
At times like this it's best to face reality. Danoh is a "Know Nothing", I mean "Know-it-All." One of those anyway. There's a verse of Scripture I believe speaks to Danoh. Romans 12:3 "For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith."
Just to add to what you just said, Sister Heir. What Jamie and others don't understand is, The Book of Matthew is pertaining to the lost sheep of the House of Israel only, and not to the Gentiles/The Body of Christ/ The Church. And, it is speaking about a time in the future (Kingdom Message) when Christ will return to earth and reign over His people Israel on the throne of David.
Everyone who is a "True Believer" has been looking for the return of Christ beginning 2000 years ago until now in 2016 and beyond. As the Bible states, in 2 Peter 3:8 "Dear friends, don't let this one thing escape you: With the Lord, one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day." God's going by His own timetable, not ours.
As I've mentioned before, Mid-Acts Dispensationalism is a GREAT "Tool" to help Grace Gospel Believers to "Rightly Divide" the word of God. Sans "MAD" we can readily become confused and see contradictions where there are none. That's why it's an invaluable "Tool" to use, in order to fully understand and apply Spiritual truth to ourselves and others.
I, myself as a teenager became confused by the book of James. It appeared to contradict what I had been taught and what Paul had been teaching. Years later, I learned about the Doctrine of MAD, and it cleared up my misunderstanding of what James was saying and who he was saying it to.
Why do you believe God's kingdom is not at hand?
whitestone
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"At hand",,,has it been at hand just since a certain time and did not exist before then? Gods kingdom,and thy kingdom come ect. are in conflict,that is "on earth as it is in heaven",,,is an comparison of something that already existed arbitrary to the reality before our own faces,"at hand" ,has always been present with God the question is,is it present among man.
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You're wrong on this one Danoh. Get over your obsession with proving heir wrong.
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Because God is doing something different today. Something that was NOT recorded in prophecy "since the world began".
I've noticed.
:chuckle:We actually are in violent agreement, brother. I say that looking above for a meteor falling out of the sky to strike me.
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How long has it been at hand?
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Okay, it's a tie.
No obssession, bro.
No more than when she points out some thing or other to me that she believes I am off on.
Personally, I don't mind having such things pointed out to me.
None of us should.
And we MADs might all do well to both practice that towards, and welcome same, of one another.
Those who take such things personal are merely showing their gospel of grace could stand to allow said grace to dictate what it is they are taking personal.
I and other MADs I know have gone hours over a time in such iron sharpeneth iron, without taking any personal offense whatsoever.
And I continue to find that sometimes I find I was off on one or another understanding; sometimes someone else was; sometimes I or they or both of us end up at an even finer distinction, and so on.
Other times, such times have been only a one time discussion with some, as they were obviously not only too much about their view alone, but a bit overly sensitive about having anyone pointing anything out to them and or voicing a different understanding.
And these are ever the types one always finds one's having to explain one's actions and or intent to...
Don't tell them that, though - they'll take that wrong as well :chuckle:
Goes to show that of the various camps within MAD, they all end up basically boiling down to two camps - MAD and Grace Based MAD.
In short, as....
"Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend" Proverbs 27:17.