the apocalypse

[chrysostom]

so who is antipas?

he is mentioned in the apocalypse

so why are we talking about him?

because others hadn't

why didn't they?

this calls for speculation

I love it when you speculate

eusebius and victorinus do not mention antipas

surely they are not the only ones

don't call me shirely, both had talked about the apocalypse

extensively?

extensively

is that it?

neither one acknowledges any of the seven churches

how do you explain that?

there was a version of the apocalypse that didn't mention antipas or the seven churches

interesting

I thought so

so what is next?

armageddon

 

[bybee]

so who is antipas?

he is mentioned in the apocalypse

so why are we talking about him?

because others hadn't

why didn't they?

this calls for speculation

I love it when you speculate

eusebius and victorinus do not mention antipas

surely they are not the only ones

don't call me shirely, both had talked about the apocalypse

extensively?

extensively

is that it?

neither one acknowledges any of the seven churches

how do you explain that?

there was a version of the apocalypse that didn't mention antipas or the seven churches

interesting

I thought so

so what is next?

armageddon

I don't like Armageddon!
Why?
Because I am fast approaching my own comeuppance.
The dross is mostly melted away.

 

[chrysostom]

so what do you know about armageddon?

not much

so why are we talking about it?

it's just another piece of the puzzle

don't you hate it when there is a missing piece?

that's why I keep looking

isn't there something about that in the bible?

blessed is he that watcheth

I just love it when you quote the bible, can you cite the passage?

yes, it is revelation 16:15

that is pretty good for a catholic

thank you, thank you very much

so what is next?

the four horsemen

we will watch for it

bless you

 

[chrysostom]

so why do you think the bow is a rainbow?

genesis 9:13

what does it mean?

it is a covenant

like a contract?

exactly

why is this important?

some think the rider of the white horse is Jesus and others think it is the antichrist

so?

a covenant with God would suggest that neither is true

so you look for someone else

right

and you think that is constantine?

who else?

so what is next?

the thousand years

didn't constantine start that?

ubetcha

 

[chrysostom]

so what about the thousand years?

they are all premillennialists

what is that?

someone who thinks Jesus must return before the thousand years starts

why is that?

they think Jesus will reign

why?

because chapter 19 comes before chapter 20

doesn't it?

yes but they also think chapter 19 is the second coming

isn't it?

not necessarily but even if it is, it doesn't mean Jesus will reign

doesn't chapter 20 say Jesus will reign?

no

what does it say?

the saints will reign with Jesus

how does that happen before Jesus returns?

He will be with us when we gather in His name

so what is next?

666

 

[chrysostom]

the apocalypse

666
antipas
armageddon
babylon the great
new jerusalem
recapitulation
the four beasts
the four horsemen
the little book
the seven heads
the ten horns
the thousand years
the three johns
the two witnesses


coming soon


now under construction

still under construction
recapitulation is next

 

[chrysostom]

why is recapitulation important?

it's a theory that can improve our understanding of the apocalypse

how?

it allows us to interpret each chapter separately

what good is that?

you don't have to assume the chronology of each chapter

so the interpretation of any chapter is not forced on the next?

exactly

where do you see that happening?

many believe Christ will reign during the thousand years

so?

it clearly states the saints will reign

I guess it is not clear to everyone

right

so what is next?

the little book

 

[chrysostom]

so you think the little book is the apocalypse

so do others

like who?

victorinus

who is he?

he wrote a commentary on the apocalypse in the third century

where do you find this stuff?

on the internet

where?

new advent

thanks for the link

you're welcome

so what is next?

the seven heads

 

[chrysostom]

so why do you think the seven heads are dynasties?

because it fits

why can't they be kings?

there are too many and you can't make them fit

that isn't very convincing

it is just one piece of the puzzle

so it just has to fit?

getting it to fit with all the other pieces is not that easy

it is easy to overlook that

and that allows for many different interpretations

so that is why we have so many

always room for one more

so what is next?

the two witnesses

 

[chrysostom]

so what is new on the two witnesses?

early transcripts talk about one mouth and one body

why not two?

somehow they have been joined together

like being married?

more like islam

islam doesn't speak with one voice

it is hard to separate religion and state with it

so church and state are the two witnesses?

as in one empire with one voice and one body

so what is next?

new jerusalem

 

[chrysostom]

so you are the only one who thinks rome is new jerusalem?

I don't know why

you think it is that obvious?

rome is to christianity as jerusalem is to the jews

not all christians recognize the pope

most do

so why is he hated so much?

he is an authority figure

some don't want to be fed

eating on your own can be a risky business

so what is next?

the futurists

is that new?

yes

 

[chrysostom]

so you are an historicist?

of course

why?

prophecy is the prediction of future events

so why aren't you a futurist

we have a lot of history to look at

what if it isn't there?

once you have taken an honest look at history, you can be a futurist

most have a problem with getting history to fit

it could be due to their interpretation

what can you do about that?

take a look at interpretations that fit history

so what is next?

the three johns

 

[chrysostom]

so why the third john?

good question

well?

I can only speculate

I love it when you speculate

the whole thing is a mystery

you can do better than that

we are not supposed to understand it

then why is it in the bible?

to inspire us

to what end?

to read the other parts of the bible

that is pretty good for a catholic

thank you, thank you very much

so what is next?

the ten horns

 

[chrysostom]

so why do you think the ten horns are dynasties?

the seven heads are dynasties

did you count them?

the historians counted them

how did you find them?

I just looked

how did you know what you were looking for?

everyone was looking for kings and kingdoms so dynasties is not a great leap

it's a leap others have not taken

their leaps are just different

so what is next?

the four beasts

isn't just two?

not in daniel

 

[Stuu]

Do you have any other hobbies apart from Catholicism?

Stuart

 

[Stuu]

Just helping you get to 15 more posts so you can repeat yourself again at the top of the next page.

Stuart

 

[chrysostom]

so why don't they see islam as the fourth beast?

they see it but don't want to say it?

why?

they want to protect their family

that's it?

well liberals are just protecting islam

why?

I can only speculate as to why liberals do what they do

I love it when you speculate

liberals are anti-religion

islam is a religion

with liberals it doesn't have to make sense

so what is next?

babylon the great

 

[chrysostom]

so why is history so important?

because it's there

what if it doesn't fit?

consider your interpretation

so you use history to interpret the bible?

I use common sense and history only as a guide

but prophecy is about the future

sooner or later it will be history

we'll know it what we see it

the jews are still looking for the messiah

they need to look at history

everyone should

so what is next?

antipas

 

[chrysostom]

why don't they talk about it?

about what?

antipas

they do talk about antipas

victorinus and eusebius don't

so?

the commentators don't talk about that

why should they?

victorinus and eusebius talk about everything but antipas and the seven churches

and we shouldn't ignore that?

right

so what is next?

armageddon

 

[Stuu]

Nearly there now. Just another couple needed to fill up this page, and then you can repost your page starter again.

Stuart