thanks stu
the apocalypse
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thanks stu
so what do you know about armageddon?
it's a mystery
so why is it there?
you can tell a lot about a person by how he interprets something
so?
it's a test to see what you are really like
test?
you won't find that word in your bible
is it in yours?
ubetcha
can you quote it?
Many shall be refined, purified, and tested, but the wicked shall prove wicked; the wicked shall have no understanding, but those with insight shall
I just love it when you quote the bible, can you cite the passage?
yes, it is daniel 12:10 nab
that is pretty good for a catholic
thank you, thank you very much
so what is next?
I'll be away for a few days
family?
yeah
it's a mystery
so why is it there?
you can tell a lot about a person by how he interprets something
so?
it's a test to see what you are really like
test?
you won't find that word in your bible
is it in yours?
ubetcha
can you quote it?
Many shall be refined, purified, and tested, but the wicked shall prove wicked; the wicked shall have no understanding, but those with insight shall
I just love it when you quote the bible, can you cite the passage?
yes, it is daniel 12:10 nab
that is pretty good for a catholic
thank you, thank you very much
so what is next?
I'll be away for a few days
family?
yeah
welcome back
thank you, thank you very much
was it another family visit?
I have a lot of family
so isn't it time for another project?
I will keep this one going as long as there is interest
so you do keep track of the views?
just to see how many are watching
you just want them to watch?
blessed is he that watcheth
I just love it when you quote the bible, can you cite the passage?
yes, it is revelation 16:15
that is pretty good for a catholic
thank you, thank you very much
so what is next?
the four horsemen
thank you, thank you very much
was it another family visit?
I have a lot of family
so isn't it time for another project?
I will keep this one going as long as there is interest
so you do keep track of the views?
just to see how many are watching
you just want them to watch?
blessed is he that watcheth
I just love it when you quote the bible, can you cite the passage?
yes, it is revelation 16:15
that is pretty good for a catholic
thank you, thank you very much
so what is next?
the four horsemen
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so why do they hate constantine?
I can only speculate
I love it when you speculate
he started the greatest empire, it was christian and it would last a thousand years
why would that bother them?
he was the third most significant person who ever lived
Jesus and mohammed being the first two?
right
I still don't understand why they hate him
I don't either
so what is next?
the thousand years
that might explain it
I can only speculate
I love it when you speculate
he started the greatest empire, it was christian and it would last a thousand years
why would that bother them?
he was the third most significant person who ever lived
Jesus and mohammed being the first two?
right
I still don't understand why they hate him
I don't either
so what is next?
the thousand years
that might explain it
so how can you ignore a thousand years?
Jesus didn't reign
where does it say Jesus will reign?
revelation 20
it says they will reign with Him
how do you reign with Him?
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them
I just love it when you quote the bible, can you cite the passage?
yes, it is matthew 18:20
that is pretty good for a catholic
thank you, thank you very much
so if we are reigning when we gather in His name, He will be with us?
exactly
so what is next?
recapitulation
again?
again
Jesus didn't reign
where does it say Jesus will reign?
revelation 20
it says they will reign with Him
how do you reign with Him?
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them
I just love it when you quote the bible, can you cite the passage?
yes, it is matthew 18:20
that is pretty good for a catholic
thank you, thank you very much
so if we are reigning when we gather in His name, He will be with us?
exactly
so what is next?
recapitulation
again?
again
so you are just repeating?
some things need repeating
doesn't that get boring
not if it is repeated in a different way
so what's different?
maybe just the time
is this important?
knowing the chapters are not necessarily in chronological order is
why?
the interpretation of one chapter should not be forced onto the next
can you give an example of this?
many think chapter 19 is the second coming and expect Jesus to reign during the thousand years
what's wrong with that?
chapter 20 doesn't say Jesus will reign
what does it say?
they will reign with Him
so what is next?
666
some things need repeating
doesn't that get boring
not if it is repeated in a different way
so what's different?
maybe just the time
is this important?
knowing the chapters are not necessarily in chronological order is
why?
the interpretation of one chapter should not be forced onto the next
can you give an example of this?
many think chapter 19 is the second coming and expect Jesus to reign during the thousand years
what's wrong with that?
chapter 20 doesn't say Jesus will reign
what does it say?
they will reign with Him
so what is next?
666
so you think it is a year?
just search the bible
for what?
666
what do you get?
yearly was 666
what else?
search daniel for number
what do you get?
number of years
that is not proof
it is just a clue
so how do you prove it?
you can't, you just see if it fits
can you make it fit?
ubetcha
so what is next?
the little book
did you eat it?
ubetcha
just search the bible
for what?
666
what do you get?
yearly was 666
what else?
search daniel for number
what do you get?
number of years
that is not proof
it is just a clue
so how do you prove it?
you can't, you just see if it fits
can you make it fit?
ubetcha
so what is next?
the little book
did you eat it?
ubetcha
so you ate the little book?
in a manner of speaking
what does it mean?
it is now a part of me
so you are obsessed with it?
you could say that
well I did
I wanted to understand it
so do you?
I have come up with an interpretation as good as anything out there
what are you going to do now?
share it
it will not be well received
some will at least consider it
will that make your day?
it already has
so what is next?
the seven heads
in a manner of speaking
what does it mean?
it is now a part of me
so you are obsessed with it?
you could say that
well I did
I wanted to understand it
so do you?
I have come up with an interpretation as good as anything out there
what are you going to do now?
share it
it will not be well received
some will at least consider it
will that make your day?
it already has
so what is next?
the seven heads
so why do you think they are dynasties?
there are only seven
how do you know?
I let the historians count them
what do they know about prophecy?
whatever history tells them
why spend so much time on history?
because it is there
what about the future?
it can be anything you want it to be
it must agree with the prophecy
it can be anything you want it to be
it must be rightly guided
history can do that
how?
by not ignoring it
so what is next?
the two witnesses
there are only seven
how do you know?
I let the historians count them
what do they know about prophecy?
whatever history tells them
why spend so much time on history?
because it is there
what about the future?
it can be anything you want it to be
it must agree with the prophecy
it can be anything you want it to be
it must be rightly guided
history can do that
how?
by not ignoring it
so what is next?
the two witnesses
so what is a candlestick?
a poor translation
what's the difference, they both provide light
one uses olive oil
so?
the lampstand must work together with the olive tree
is that significant?
only if you want to identify the two witnesses
so what is next?
new jerusalem
a poor translation
what's the difference, they both provide light
one uses olive oil
so?
the lampstand must work together with the olive tree
is that significant?
only if you want to identify the two witnesses
so what is next?
new jerusalem
so where is new jerusalem?
rome
really?
really
based on what?
you would expect it to be where He built His church
many can't seem to find it
many are blind
how can you make them see?
reason and logic
good luck with that
we could put it on the internet
tol?
good idea
so what is next?
the futurists
rome
really?
really
based on what?
you would expect it to be where He built His church
many can't seem to find it
many are blind
how can you make them see?
reason and logic
good luck with that
we could put it on the internet
tol?
good idea
so what is next?
the futurists
prophecy is about the future
at some point it becomes history
we are looking for that
what if you are looking for the wrong things?
how could that happen?
the jews didn't see Jesus as the messiah
they should now be able to see that He was
agreed but they don't
they have the wrong interpretation of scripture
you could have the wrong interpretation of scripture
just because it doesn't agree with yours?
it doesn't agree with history
is that your criteria?
only if it fits
you can make anything fit
not really but you can't ignore what appears to fit
so what is next?
the three johns
at some point it becomes history
we are looking for that
what if you are looking for the wrong things?
how could that happen?
the jews didn't see Jesus as the messiah
they should now be able to see that He was
agreed but they don't
they have the wrong interpretation of scripture
you could have the wrong interpretation of scripture
just because it doesn't agree with yours?
it doesn't agree with history
is that your criteria?
only if it fits
you can make anything fit
not really but you can't ignore what appears to fit
so what is next?
the three johns
so what can you tell us about the third john?
at the time he may have been more significant than the pope
chrysostom?
he was patriarch of constantinople
wasn't that the center of the world
at the time it was
so what was john doing is ephesus?
replacing seven corrupt bishops
do we know the names of the churches?
just ephesus and it was responsible for the other six
chrysostom never quoted the apocalypse
true but he may have seen the latest while he was in ephesus
and you think he edited it
yes I do
so what is next?
the ten horns
at the time he may have been more significant than the pope
chrysostom?
he was patriarch of constantinople
wasn't that the center of the world
at the time it was
so what was john doing is ephesus?
replacing seven corrupt bishops
do we know the names of the churches?
just ephesus and it was responsible for the other six
chrysostom never quoted the apocalypse
true but he may have seen the latest while he was in ephesus
and you think he edited it
yes I do
so what is next?
the ten horns
still under construction
so how do you count dynasties?
that is not my job
so who counts them?
the historians
they have their own agendas
don't we all?
so you just find a historian that agrees with you?
it is much easier to find a theologian to agree with you
you can't call them theologians
what do you call them?
so what is next?
the four beasts
that is not my job
so who counts them?
the historians
they have their own agendas
don't we all?
so you just find a historian that agrees with you?
it is much easier to find a theologian to agree with you
you can't call them theologians
what do you call them?
so what is next?
the four beasts
don't you worry about being politically correct?
I do worry about hate
doesn't political correctness address that?
not if it ignores reality
reality?
evil beliefs lead to evil acts
so what you do is based on your beliefs?
as long as you are not disturbed
many are disturbed
many ignore reality
and that is?
what you do affects others
and that is based on what you believe?
right
so what is next?
babylon the great
I do worry about hate
doesn't political correctness address that?
not if it ignores reality
reality?
evil beliefs lead to evil acts
so what you do is based on your beliefs?
as long as you are not disturbed
many are disturbed
many ignore reality
and that is?
what you do affects others
and that is based on what you believe?
right
so what is next?
babylon the great
how do you know your interpretation is correct?
because all the pieces fit
based on what?
history
can you show that?
I have been thinking about that
and?
some kind of timeline might show how the pieces fit
sounds like a project
that's what I thought
so what is next?
antipas
because all the pieces fit
based on what?
history
can you show that?
I have been thinking about that
and?
some kind of timeline might show how the pieces fit
sounds like a project
that's what I thought
so what is next?
antipas