Take away Americans guns

[musterion]

“A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.”
― Bertrand Russell, A History of Western Philosophy

That's why he died an atheist.

 

[ok doser]

No one individual could kill 50 innocent Americans and wound another 53 without access to an automatic assault rifle with large magazines of ammunition.

you never heard of arson?

poison?

vehicular homicide?

boxcutters?


timothy mcveigh?

 

[Nihilo]

That's why he died an atheist.

No, he died an atheist because he was a profound idiot. An exceptionally stupid man.

But that quote is right on. Like a broken clock or a blind squirrel.

 

[jgarden]

you never heard of arson?

poison?

vehicular homicide?

boxcutters?


timothy mcveigh?

All of those are exceptions to the rule - as much as the gun lobby would like to divert our attention with these kinds of "smokescreens," the weapon of choice for for most mass murders has been automatic weapons

 

[Nihilo]

All of those are exceptions to the rule - as much as the gun lobby would like to divert our attention with these kinds of "smokescreens," the weapon of choice for for most mass murders has been automatic weapons

:AMR: "Automatic?" Like, select fire machine guns? :nono:

Maybe in Europe and other dreadful places.

 

[jgarden]

Murder Victims - by Weapons Used (2012)

The following table shows the number and percent of murder victims in the United States by the cause of death. Weapons used or cause of death include guns, stabbing, blunt objects, strangulation, arson, and more.

Weapons used or cause of death
***********************************************
Total Homicides 12,765 (100%)

Guns 8,855 (69.4%)

Cutting or stabbing 1589 (12.4%)

Blunt objects 518 (4.6%)

Strangulation,
hands, fists,
feet, or pushing 757 (5.9%)

Arson 85 (0.7%)

All Others 951 (7.4%)

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004888.html

As previously stated, guns are the weapon of choice for most murderers and this would be particularly the case for most mass murderers.

 

[Nihilo]

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004888.html

:AMR: Again, "Automatic?" Like, select fire machine guns? :nono:

Maybe in Europe and other dreadful places.

 

[TomO]

:AMR: Again, "Automatic?" Like, select fire machine guns? :nono:

Maybe in Europe and other dreadful places.

Oh stop....He doesn't know. There's a reason I quoted what I did. :chuckle:

 

[jgarden]

“A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.”
― Bertrand Russell, A History of Western Philosophy

Historical Ranking of Presidents

In January 2013, New York Times journalist and statistician Nate Silver of Five Thirty Eight composed a composite list of previous presidential rankings by scholars ...

1. Abraham Lincoln
2. Franklin D. Roosevelt
3. George Washington
4. Theodore Roosevelt
5. Thomas Jefferson
6. Harry Truman
7. Woodrow Wilson
8. Dwight D. Eisenhower
9. John F. Kennedy
10. Ronald Reagan

Dwight Eisenhower was one America's highest ranking officers, the commander for all Allied forces in Europe during WW2 and ranked by historians and political scientists as the 8th most effective president in US history.

Given that "Tom O." has seen fit to appoint himself as the official interpreter of quotations made by "clever men," perhaps he would enlighten the "unwashed masses" as to what Eisenhower really meant by the quote

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

 

[TomO]

Dwight Eisenhower was one America's highest ranking officers, the commander for all Allied forces in Europe during WW2 and ranked by historians and political scientists as the 8th most effective president in US history.

Given that "Tom O." has seen fit to appoint himself as the official interpreter of quotations made by "clever men," perhaps he would enlighten the "unwashed masses" as to what Eisenhower really meant by the quote

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

He was talking about the continuation of Cold War you oaf. :doh:

Eisenhower was a second amendment supporter and had his own skeet shooting range.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chance_for_Peace_speech

con·text
käntekst/
noun
the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed.
"the decision was taken within the context of planned cuts in spending"
synonyms: circumstances, conditions, factors, state of affairs, situation, background, scene, setting More
the parts of something written or spoken that immediately precede and follow a word or passage and clarify its meaning.

 

[Nick M]

No, he died an atheist because he was a profound idiot. An exceptionally stupid man.

I read recently that our Holy Bible uses the word "fool" in the New Testament translated from the Greek word that is actually "moron". The apostle Paul was calling people idiots and morons.

 

[Nihilo]

I read recently that our Holy Bible uses the word "fool" in the New Testament translated from the Greek word that is actually "moron". The apostle Paul was calling people idiots and morons.

I believe it. Paul never beat around the bush when he wanted to make a point clear.

 

[jgarden]

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower (34th President of the United States)

Hunger in America: 2015 United States Hunger and Poverty Facts

Hunger in the United States

- in 2014, 14.0% of households (17.5 million households, approximately one in seven), were food insecure

- in 2014, 5.6% of U.S. households (6.9 million households) had very low food security. In this more severe range of food insecurity, the food intake of some household members was reduced and normal eating patterns were disrupted

- children were food insecure at times during the year in 9.4% of households with children. These 3.7 million households were unable at times during the year to provide adequate, nutritious food for their children

Poverty in the United States

- in 2014, there were 46.7 million people in poverty. This is up from 37.3 million in 2007. The number of poor people is near the largest number in the 52 years for which poverty statistics have been published

- the 2014 poverty rate was 14.8%, down only slightly from the 2010 poverty rate of 15.1% and still up from 12.5% in 1997 (poverty rate was at 22.4% in 1959, the first year for poverty estimates.)

- the 2014 poverty rate for Blacks was 26.2%, for Hispanics 23.6%, for Asians 12%, for non-Hispanic whites 10.1%

- poverty rate for children under 18 was 21.1% in 2014 and the number of children in poverty was 15. million. Children represented 23.3% of the total population and 33.3% of people in poverty .

- 19.9 million Americans live in extreme poverty. This means their family’s cash income is less than half of the poverty line, or about $10,000 a year for a family of four

- the operation of the US economic system The operation of the US economic and political system has led to certain people/groups being relatively disenfranchised.

- in a free enterprise economy, there is competition for jobs, with jobs going to the most qualified ... with the major unemployment falling on the least qualified. It might be tempting to identify them as ‘unemployable’ but what is in fact happening is that the private enterprise system is not generating enough jobs to employ everyone.

- the top echelon of business has some power to allocate the profits of the enterprise, and certainly they have allocated these profits to themselves in recent years.

- the US political system, which should address the major problems of its citizens, is to a great extent not focused on fundamental concerns of poor people, but on other concerns.


- military and security expenditure represent half of US federal government discretionary expenditures, much larger than expenditures to assist poor people, and this budgeting is assisted by a strong web of political and financial connections which has been termed the “military-industrial complex.”

- corporations and the rich, through their ability to lobby Congress and the Administration effectively by such means as spending large amounts of money on lobbying efforts and on political campaigns of elected officials have succeeded in establishing their priorities, including tax breaks and subsidies.

http://www.worldhunger.org/hunger-in-america-2015-united-states-hunger-and-poverty-facts/

Eisenhawer's quote may have been referring to world hunger and poverty BUT as the statistics show, approximately 50 million Americans currently live in poverty and that 1 in 7 experience "food insecurity."

Eisenhawer questioning of America's political, economic and social priorities is still relevant today where far more is spent the military and weapons than America's own hungry and poor.

U.S. Constitution - Preamble

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Just as the 2nd Amendment, as its proponents argue, guarantees free access to firearms, could it not also be argued that "a more perfect Union," "establish Justice ... promote the general Welfare" and "secure the Blessings of Liberty" provide a constitutional guarantee that all American citizens have access to food and shelter, both of which which constitute fundamental needs - not wants!

 

[exminister]

There are plenty of people in the THEY camp. You are either not telling the truth or your head is in the sand!

Explain to me how the restriction of machine guns in the 1930s and ban in 1980s "took away your guns"?
How is it any different than putting on a restriction on assault weapons which are for the same reason - kill humans and as many as you can ?

 

[CherubRam]

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower (34th President of the United States)


Eisenhawer's quote may have been referring to world hunger and poverty BUT as the statistics show, approximately 50 million Americans currently live in poverty and that 1 in 7 experience "food insecurity."

Eisenhawer questioning of America's political, economic and social priorities is still relevant today where far more is spent the military and weapons than America's own hungry and poor.

U.S. Constitution - Preamble

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Just as the 2nd Amendment, as its proponents argue, guarantees free access to firearms, could it not also be argued that "a more perfect Union," "establish Justice ... promote the general Welfare" and "secure the Blessings of Liberty" provide a constitutional guarantee that all American citizens have access to food and shelter, both of which which constitute fundamental needs - not wants!

The government would have to give away land for people to have and live on to solve many problems, that in turn would cause the price of housing to plummet. Now I ask you, what is more important to people in government, money, or poor people?