ECT Speaking in tongues
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musterion
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Revitalize the thread. Post audio of your tongues for testing, as all believers are commanded to do. God can ONLY be glorified by you posting your gift.
Unless.......
andyc
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Where do you get this from?
What part of "And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance", do you not understand?
Paul explained that when he prayed his spirit prayed. The spirit requires a language that supersedes a human language. The words are not what God is hearing, it is the expression of the Spirit.
TweetyBird
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Are you the only one who speaks in "real tongues" and everyone is of "some spirit" other than yourself?
Why would unbelievers, aka the Roman soldiers, be "slain in the spirit"?
ps: why do you use "yahshuah"? It's neither Hebrew nor is it an Hebraic Name.
TweetyBird
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What is the "language of the redeemed" and the "language of love"?
andyc
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A little side note here, the madists are assuming that there are only human languages with the gift of tongues. As I pointed out in my one on one, there are also angelic tongues. Now this will go right over the head of a poor madster.
However, basically, Angels to not have tongues. So why did Paul talk about the tongues of angels?
Well basically, angels are spirits, and communicate in spirit. And Paul said, when his spirit prays, his understanding is unfruitful. And so, the limitations of natural languages are removed by speaking in a heavenly spiritual language AKA the tongues of angels.
However, basically, Angels to not have tongues. So why did Paul talk about the tongues of angels?
Well basically, angels are spirits, and communicate in spirit. And Paul said, when his spirit prays, his understanding is unfruitful. And so, the limitations of natural languages are removed by speaking in a heavenly spiritual language AKA the tongues of angels.
TweetyBird
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For sure Paul said not one word about prayer in the spirit is a language that supersedes a human one. Nice bizarre twist to the already convoluted modern tongues theory. :hammer:
We want to test your tongues out. So either get it up on the net so we can see it or stop pushing your propaganda.
TweetyBird
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No angelic tongues. Just one more little snippet taken out of a single verse in the entire Bible to support a major false doctrine.
That load of conjecture is so far overweight the tires blew out ....
Hi Tweety,Are you the only one who speaks in "real tongues" and everyone is of "some spirit" other than yourself?
Why would unbelievers, aka the Roman soldiers, be "slain in the spirit"?
ps: why do you use "yahshuah"? It's neither Hebrew nor is it an Hebraic Name.
Most people I have ever spoken with speak in "real tongues" aka languages. It is the most widely used form of communication; language that is. Nothing special about me or the English language I speak.
As far as the "spirit" is concerned, it is God's Holy Spirit who draws, convicts, and convinces of our sinful condition. In proper response to that work He does, He then baptizes us into His body. The incoherent babbling and falling out and losing control of ones faculties is not attributed to the working of the Holy Spirit.
I apologize for being unclear.
As far as the names of the Saviour, "Jesus" is in our English bibles translated from a Greek translation of a Hebraic or Jewish name.
I am really amazed by some of the responses when people learn that Jesus had a real name that was as Jewish as he was.
Have a great and blessed day! God (YAHWEH) loves YOU!!!
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andyc
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That's like saying, "there's a verse I don't like in the bible, but because it's just one verse I don't like in the bible, I'll just ignore it.
Admittedly it isn't revealed what we shall be, as John said. However, when people speak, sounds vibrate in eardrums, which people interpret as communication learned. Does God have eardrums?
Now, we know that the spirit of God communicates with our spirit, not using natural speech, and therefore it is logical to accept that our spirit can communicate with God's spirit, not through natural speech (Rom 8:26).
andyc
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How can you test something out that you already believe is not applicable today?
lifeisgood
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However, that is that 'if' again, meaning, I, TweetBird, will not believe unless it happens to me. If it happens to anybody else, I, TweetyBird, reject it for today.
No, that is what you said.
With you? Yes, because you use that little word 'if'; therefore, when I read what you said, this is what I heard: 'Unless it happens to me, I, TweetyBird, won't believe it. When it happens to somebody it is not for today 'cause it ain't happening to me.'
lifeisgood
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The way you responded to what someone else said, there was the 'implication' that you did not believe that God heals today.
So, can I say from the above that you believe that healing is for today also.
andyc
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Just for those watching this thread who are intrigued about tongues, it is the Spirit who gives the utterance.
Like all gifts, they are not to be used for the amusement of those who are only ready to mock.
Similarly, when people asked Jesus for a sign, he rejected them because their hearts were full of unbelief.
There were places that Jesus went to where he couldn't do anything, because people were so full of unbelief.
We have the word of God, and people must be convinced that the gifts are for today, and then seek those gifts.
There is not one verse telling us that the gifts are only temporal, but people will believe they are because they don't want anything to do with them. Not on the basis of scripture, but because they fear what they do not understand.
Like all gifts, they are not to be used for the amusement of those who are only ready to mock.
Similarly, when people asked Jesus for a sign, he rejected them because their hearts were full of unbelief.
There were places that Jesus went to where he couldn't do anything, because people were so full of unbelief.
We have the word of God, and people must be convinced that the gifts are for today, and then seek those gifts.
There is not one verse telling us that the gifts are only temporal, but people will believe they are because they don't want anything to do with them. Not on the basis of scripture, but because they fear what they do not understand.
lifeisgood
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No, but it is communion with God.
lifeisgood
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If you have been baptized with the Holy Spirit after you have been saved, then you know the difference.
The Holy Spirit always glorifies Christ Jesus, other spirits do not. Don't you remember John saying that we are to test the spirits? I mean, 'cmon I would assume you would know that.
lifeisgood
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Hopefully, you are praying over yourself as those were the best prayers you chose to pray from the Bible.
TweetyBird
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Ok - you don't speak or pray in Pentecostal type tongues - incoherent sounds?
Jesus is not a "translation" of Yeshua. It is a transliteration. That means that if a group of people cannot sound out a word in their language they substitute the letter forming the closet sound. The reason the Greeks used IESOUS is because they could not pronounce the "yeh" or "sh" sounds and so substituted "ie" and "sous" sounds represented by the English letters, IESOUS. Latin is IESUS. Old English, as we find in the 1300, 1500 and 1600 translations used IESUS. The "I" slowly morphed into the harder French "J" sound which is how we got JESUS. It was not a conspiracy to make Jesus a white golden haired Son of God and forget His Jewish birth :crackup:
Secondly, the Hebrew name of Jesus is not "yahshuah". You have two big problems with that "name". First, the theophoric element of "YH" is never pronounced as "yah" at the beginning of a word or name. Which is why a name like Joshua is pronounced as YEHoshua. The "yah" sound is only used on the end of names like "Eliyahu" or "Yermeyahu" or as a stand alone Name - as shown in the OT as YAH.
Second, the "hey" at the end of "yeshuah" is the feminie verb, salvation. The Name of Yeshua is the masculine Name of Yeshua meaning God saves or He is salvation. Yeshua is the shortened form of Yehoshua [Joshua] used later in the OT. It appears in the OT around 30-40 times as "Jeshua" in most English Bibles.
The same thing goes for the YHWH. It is not Yahweh, even though it is accepted throughout most of the Christian community. It's just plain error and will never be corrected within the general populace because "scholarship" jumped on the "yahweh" wagon without doing the homework*. It actually was recended back from the Greek who took it from the Samaritan IEBE meaning "beautiful" - their loan word for the YHWH so as not to say the Name. Yahweh is not a Hebrew word at all. We do not know the pronunciation of the YHWH other than what God told Moses - Hayah Asher Hayah - I AM THAT I AM.
* For instance: The newer editions of Strongs now uses "Yahweh" when defining YHWH. The older editions used "JEHOVAH" [not saying this is the actual Name, but at least the "YEH/JEH" is correct]. Because of the popularity of "yahweh", the truth has been replaced.
lifeisgood
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However, you know andyc saying that what he said 'it is not your spirit'. :think:
I've been studying Mid-Acts in Scripture, and thus, from Mid-Acts (more or less) and for many a year now.
And the test of things that differ is only one and ever the same - Scripture with Scripture in light of the Word, rightly divided, or laid out aright.
Besides, given today's technology, any half-way decent illusionist could actually pull off such a thing; the requested test is not how the Believer is to test the things that differ.
Time to get back to Acts 17:11; where the assertions of one person or another...are concerned.