Southern Poverty Law Center - Irresponsible Lying Scumbags?

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Many of you will remember this protest from march 2016 at Middlebury college in Vermont - the backstory - Charles Murray, a prominent political scientist, author and columnist, was invited to speak at Middlebury college. Student protests disrupted the event and in the aftermath, Murray and his escort, Middlebury professor Allison Stanger, a diehard liberal, were attacked by protesters and Stanger suffered a neck injury and concussion. This was one of many incidents of left wing violence on college campuses at the time and Middlebury was rightly held up to a huge amount of scrutiny and ridicule.

Murray is introduced at 18:45:
 

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Yesterday, I was watching this and interviews with the principals in the aftermath, and discovered something I had not realized when the drama was unfolding. The students had justification to react the way they did (excluding the violence) - they were acting on malicious, defamatory information about Charles Murray that they had found on the Southern Poverty Law Center's website that listed Dr. Murray on its "/fighting-hate/extremist-files" section, linking him to white supremacy,Nazism, racism, eugenicism, etc and dishonestly misrepresenting his body of work. Compare for yourself - here's the SPLC's website entry on Dr. Murray: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/charles-murray

and here's Dr. Murray's corrections to the defamation: http://www.aei.org/publication/charles-murrays-splc-page-as-edited-by-charles-murray/
 

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Here's the National Review's response:

Charles Murray Finally Fights Back Against the SPLC

The Corner
Culture
Charles Murray Finally Fights Back Against the SPLC
By David French

March 27, 2017 3:51 AM

The once-valuable (and now hateful and vile) Southern Poverty Law Center has long labeled Charles Murray an “extremist” and a “white nationalist.” The SPLC’s label not only contributes to lazy headlines and borderline-slanderous reporting, it also seems to have partly inspired the violent attack against Murray at Middlebury College. After years of ignoring the SPLC’s claims, Murray finally chose to address them, in detail, and his response is devastating.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/charles-murray-finally-fights-back-against-splc/

 

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and here's a story about a different target of the SPLC who chose to fight back, hard:

The Southern Poverty Law Center has lost all credibility

After years of smearing good people with false charges of bigotry, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) has finally been held to account. A former Islamic radical named Maajid Nawaz sued the center for including him in its bogus “Field Guide to Anti-Muslim Extremists,” and this week the SPLC agreed to pay him a $3.375 million settlement and issued a public apology.


The SPLC is a once-storied organization that did important work filing civil rights lawsuits against the Ku Klux Klan in the 1970s. But it has become a caricature of itself, labeling virtually anyone who does not fall in line with its left-wing ideology an “extremist” or “hate group.”

https://www.aei.org/publication/the-southern-poverty-law-center-has-lost-all-credibility/

 

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worth noting that at Middlebury, the administration disciplined 75 of the protesters for their actions

looks like the only way to discipline the SPLC is either through lawsuits, by denying them funding and/or destroying them in the public eye
 

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Here's another:
The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), a nonprofit legal advocacy group, has placed potential 2016 presidential candidate Dr. Ben Carson on its “Extremist Watch List” for his views against same-sex marriage.

The group cites comments from Dr. Carson’s book in labeling him a potential extremist. The group singled out this line from his book, “America the Beautiful”: “f we can redefine marriage as between two men or two women or any other way based on social pressures as opposed to between a man and a woman, we will continue to redefine it in any way that we wish, which is a slippery slope with a disastrous ending, as witnessed in the dramatic fall of the Roman Empire.”

The SPLC also takes issue with a statement Dr. Carson made in March 2013 on Fox News’ “Hannity.”

“Marriage is between a man and a woman. It’s a well-established pillar of society and no group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA [North American Man/Boy Association, a group advocating pedophilia], be they people who believe in bestiality — it doesn’t matter what they are, they don’t get to change the definition,” the retired neurosurgeon said at the time.

According to the SPLC, “Extremists in the U.S. come in many different forms – white nationalists, anti-gay zealots, black separatists, racist skinheads, neo-Confederates and more.”

Dr. Carson is on the same list as former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke, Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, and Infowars founder Alex Jones. Groups on the extremist list include the Aryan Brotherhood, Westboro Baptist Church, and New Black Panther Party.

In a Facebook post Monday, Dr. Carson wrote: “When embracing traditional Christian values is equated to hatred, we are approaching the stage where wrong is called right and right is called wrong. It is important for us to once again advocate true tolerance. That means being respectful of those with whom we disagree and allowing people to live according to their values without harassment. It is nothing but projectionism when some groups label those who disagree with them as haters.”


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/8/ben-carson-placed-on-southern-poverty-law-centers-/

 

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The Campus Terror Campaign Just Got a Lot Worse
By Tom Woods
Tom Woods Show
March 7, 2017

You may have heard that a mob prevented author Charles Murray from delivering a public lecture at Middlebury College.

They held signs telling him that “white supremacy” wasn’t welcome there. There’s no non-hysterical definition of “white supremacy” that comes anywhere close to describing Murray’s views, but I’m sure you knew that.

Murray reports:
I went onstage, got halfway through my first sentence, and the uproar began.
First came a shouted recitation in unison of what I am told is a piece by James Baldwin. I couldn’t follow the words. That took a few minutes. Then came the chanting. The protesters had prepared several couplets that they chanted in rotations—“hey, hey, ho, ho, white supremacy has to go,” and the like.

These are the high-IQ students, as you can see.

Murray decided to go to Plan B, which was to livestream a discussion with a Middlebury professor in another room that had been outfitted for this purpose.

Although they managed to do this, loud noises and pounding on the walls outside that room continued throughout the proceedings.

As Murray attempted to leave the building, a group of protesters, some of whom were wearing ski masks, blocked him. Security had to push the students aside to get him through. A political science professor with Murray was assaulted.

He himself barely escaped a similar fate:
If it hadn’t been for Allison and Bill keeping hold of me and the security guards pulling people off me, I would have been pushed to the ground. That much is sure. What would have happened after that I don’t know, but I do recall thinking that being on the ground was a really bad idea, and I should try really hard to avoid that.

You won’t be surprised to learn that the protesters surrounded and banged on the car that had Murray and his colleagues in it; others climbed onto the hood.

Murray and his companions soon discovered that the protesters had found out where the post-event dinner was to take place, so that was changed to another venue.

A total fiasco.

Meanwhile, either Middlebury College expels hundreds of students for violating the college’s code of conduct, or the savages are emboldened there and elsewhere.

Murray recalls that in the past, there would have been some agreement between protesters and a college administration that they could demonstrate for X minutes, but then the event would take place. This was the first time Murray has seen protesters who have rejected such an offer, and who simply shut the event down.

He fears that the intellectual thugs will take over many campuses. In the mid-1990s, I could count on students who had wanted to listen to start yelling at the protesters after a certain point, “Sit down and shut up, we want to hear what he has to say.” That kind of pushback had an effect. It reminded the protesters that they were a minority. I am assured by people at Middlebury that their protesters are a minority as well. But they are a minority that has intimidated the majority. The people in the audience who wanted to hear me speak were completely cowed. That cannot be allowed to stand. A campus where a majority of students are fearful to speak openly because they know a minority will jump on them is no longer an intellectually free campus in any meaningful sense.

Now it should be easier to understand why I think provocative right-wing campus speakers are a good thing. Their very presence, and the large numbers who come out to see them, remind the majority that they are, after all, the majority, and that they shouldn’t let themselves be intimidated by drama queens who think they’re preventing the spread of fascism by drowning out speakers and beating people up. (They’re not very good with irony, these people.)
 

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the damage they do that nobody on the left holds them to account for:


In 2010, it placed the Family Research Council (FRC) — a conservative Christian advocacy group that opposes abortion and same-sex marriage — on its “hate map.” Two years later, a gunman walked into the FRC headquarters with the intention to “kill as many as possible and smear the Chick-fil-A sandwiches in victims’ faces.” He told the FBI that he had used the SPLC website to pick his target.

 

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and another:

Unfortunately, many in the media still take the SPLC seriously. Last year, ABC News ran a story headlined: “Jeff Sessions addresses ‘anti-LGBT hate group,’ ” in which it reported that “Sessions addressed members of the Alliance Defending Freedom, which was designated an ‘anti-LGBT hate group’ by the Southern Poverty Law Center in 2016.” The Alliance Defending Freedom is a respected organization of conservative lawyers dedicated to defending religious liberty, and it just argued a case before the Supreme Court, Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission. It won, 7 to 2. It is not a “hate group.” If anything, it is fighting anti-Christian hate.

 

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and another:


Unfortunately, the settlement that the SPLC reached with Nawaz is not likely to deter it from smearing others — $3.4 million is a drop in the bucket for the center, which raised $132 million between November 2016 and October 2017 and has a $477 million endowment, including a reported $92 million in offshore accounts. Sliming conservatives is big business.

The only way to stop the SPLC is if people stop giving it money and the media stop quoting it or taking it seriously. The SPLC once did important work fighting the Ku Klux Klan. But when it declares Maajid Nawaz, the Family Research Council, Ben Carson and Charles Murray as moral equivalents of the Klan, it loses all integrity and credibility.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ab7d60-756d-11e8-9780-b1dd6a09b549_story.html

 

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"The only way to stop the SPLC is if people stop giving it money and the media stop quoting it or taking it seriously"

i would think a congressional inquiry into the role the SPLC played in the student protest/riot at Middlebury and the Family Research Council incident might go a long way toward getting people to wake up to who is the real hate group
 

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The SPLC is a watch dog organization that monitors hate groups around the USA . It's not a hate group itself , although many conservatives stupidly call it one . It's a legitimate outfit and avery valuable one .
 

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The SPLC is a watch dog organization that monitors hate groups around the USA . It's not a hate group itself , although many conservatives stupidly call it one . It's a legitimate outfit and avery valuable one .

The SPLC once did important work fighting the Ku Klux Klan. But when it declares Maajid Nawaz, the Family Research Council, Ben Carson and Charles Murray as moral equivalents of the Klan, it loses all integrity and credibility.
 

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Many of you will remember this protest from march 2016 at Middlebury college in Vermont - the backstory - Charles Murray, a prominent political scientist, author and columnist,...

and Libertarian.

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Do I feel bad that the left attacks their own? Lemme sleep on that.
 

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not that you'd care, but others might be interested in how Murray defines Libertarian

thanks for showing the book :thumb:

have you read it?
 

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not that you'd care, but others might be interested in how Murray defines Libertarian

thanks for showing the book :thumb:

have you read it?

No, I've been reading other things about Libertarian Charles Murray such as this:

Charles Murray’s Gay-Marriage Surprise
Political scientist Charles Murray has never backed away from controversy, but usually his opponents have been liberals. Friday, however, he managed to upset conservatives at the annual conference known as CPAC, where thousands of bewildered Republicans gathered to figure out the way forward after their party’s 2012 electoral defeat. Murray ditched his prepared remarks on “America Coming Apart” in favor of an impromptu admonition to fellow conservatives to accept the legalization of both gay marriage and abortion.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/charles-murrays-gay-marriage-surprise

Sorry Chuck, but being pro homosexuality and pro abortion is not part of conservative doctrine.
 

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No, I've been reading other things about Libertarian Charles Murray such as this:

Charles Murray’s Gay-Marriage Surprise
Political scientist Charles Murray has never backed away from controversy, but usually his opponents have been liberals. Friday, however, he managed to upset conservatives at the annual conference known as CPAC, where thousands of bewildered Republicans gathered to figure out the way forward after their party’s 2012 electoral defeat. Murray ditched his prepared remarks on “America Coming Apart” in favor of an impromptu admonition to fellow conservatives to accept the legalization of both gay marriage and abortion.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/charles-murrays-gay-marriage-surprise

Sorry Chuck, but being pro homosexuality and pro abortion is not part of conservative doctrine.

thanks for sharing your creepy obsession with homosexuality with us :wave2:
 
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