Southern Poverty Law Center - Irresponsible Lying Scumbags?

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aCultureWarrior said:
No, I've been reading other things about Libertarian Charles Murray such as this:

Charles Murray’s Gay-Marriage Surprise
Political scientist Charles Murray has never backed away from controversy, but usually his opponents have been liberals. Friday, however, he managed to upset conservatives at the annual conference known as CPAC, where thousands of bewildered Republicans gathered to figure out the way forward after their party’s 2012 electoral defeat. Murray ditched his prepared remarks on “America Coming Apart” in favor of an impromptu admonition to fellow conservatives to accept the legalization of both gay marriage and abortion.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/charles-murrays-gay-marriage-surprise

Sorry Chuck, but being pro homosexuality and pro abortion is not part of conservative doctrine.
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I can be Conservative and not care about the gays.
 
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ok doser said:
:think: can one be conservative and not care about the social change that is swirling around the issue of LGBTIQCAPGNGFNBA**
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That's not the social issue that will destroy us.
If an "LGBTIQCAPGNGFNBA" is a good hard working Capitalist then they're OK in my book.
 
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The Horn said:
The SPLC is a watch dog organization that monitors hate groups around the USA . It's not a hate group itself , although many conservatives stupidly call it one . It's a legitimate outfit and avery valuable one .
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They USED to be, and started out with good intentions.
Now they are just another witchhunting organization that labels any group that disagrees with their agenda as bigoted hate groups.

There are extremists that are hate groups, but they will find any little thing of non-extremists and shove them in the extremists category.
They are practically a joke now.
 
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Tambora said:
They USED to be, and started out with good intentions.
Now they are just another witchhunting organization that labels any group that disagrees with their agenda as bigoted hate groups.

There are extremists that are hate groups, but they will find any little thing of non-extremists and shove them in the extremists category.
They are practically a joke now.
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scumbag leftists at SPLC defend antifa, because, well...

"there's "hate" and there's "hate hate" - antifa's hate isn't "hate hate" "

Antifa isn't a 'hate group,' Southern Poverty Law Center claims

SPLC's Richard Cohen defends listing Family Research Council but not antifa at hearing

Southern Poverty Law Center “hate map” has come under heated criticism on the right for lumping mainstream conservative organizations with the Ku Klux Klan and neo-Nazis.

You can find conservative policy centers like the Family Research Council on the Southern Poverty Law Center’s “hate map,” but not the violent left-wing extremist group antifa.

Why not? Antifa’s radical activists are known for beating up those they view as “fascists,” but according to SPLC president Richard Cohen, antifa doesn’t actually espouse hate.

“If you are familiar with our work, we write about antifa often,” Mr. Cohen said in his Thursday testimony before the House Homeland Security Committee. “We condemn their tactics — I’ve said so publicly and we do so always — but antifa is not a group that vilifies people on the basis of race, ethnicity, religion and the like.”

Mr. Cohen came to testify on domestic terrorism but wound up tangling with House Republicans over the SLPC’s extensive offshore financial holdings, its relationship with Google in creating a “hate news index,” and the politics behind its “hate map.”

Rep. Scott Perry, Pennsylvania Republican, blasted the SPLC for failing to include antifa, saying it “reduces your credibility,” and accused the group of picking and choosing its targets based not on empirical data but “only your opinion.”

“So you’re okay with antifa as long as they don’t say things that you don’t agree with, but it’s okay if they hit people on the head with a bike lock or set things on fire or riot and flout the law by wearing face masks and incite riots—you’re okay with that?” asked Mr. Perry.


Said Mr. Cohen: “We condemn groups like antifa, we write about them often. We don’t list them as hate groups.”

As for the FRC, which spars with its ideological foes verbally but not physically, Mr. Cohen said it was listed because it “relentlessly vilifies” the LGBT community.

“Our listing of hate groups doesn’t necessarily mean that they engage in violence, although we think that the anti-LGBT propaganda is one of the factors that makes the LGBT community in our country the most likely to be victimized by hate crimes,” he said.

The SPLC has been widely condemned on the right as a left-wing attack machine, but Mr. Cohen said that among the 917 groups on the “hate map” are leftist organizations like the New Black Panther Party and the Nation of Islam.

Mr. Perry asked him why the map doesn’t list Students for Justice in Palestine, saying it has advocated for violence against Jews.

“I don’t know about that particular group,” Mr. Cohen said, adding, “We try to call hate as we see it. We limit our list not by left versus right but by groups that vilify others for factors such as race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, religion or the like.”

Despite the criticism, the SPLC has seen its stock rise in the aftermath of the August white-supremacist rally in Charlottesville Virginia, which resulted in three deaths, collecting millions from Hollywood and Silicon Valley donors and partnering with Google and ProPublica to create a database of “hate incidents.”

Mr. Cohen said he has urged Google to do more by modifying its search engine to downplay “hate groups.”

“What we try to get Google to do is not prioritize hate groups,” said Mr. Cohen.

He cited the example of mass murderer Dylann Roof, who found racist websites when he searched “black on white crime,” and later shot and killed nine black parishioners in the 2015 church massacre in Charleston, South Carolina.

“So we’re trying to say to Google, your algorithm is flawed or easily manipulated,” Mr. Cohen said.

While he cited the influence of racist websites in motivating Roof, Mr. Cohen denied any responsibility for the 2012 attack on the Family Research Council, in which Floyd Lee Corkins shot and wounded a security guard after being inspired by anti-FRC posts on the SPLC website.

“We’re no more responsible for what Mr. Corkins did based on reading our website than Martin Scorsese is for what John Hinckley did,” Mr. Cohen said, referring to the 1976 movie “Taxi Driver,” which inspired Hinckley to make an attempt on President Ronald Reagan’s life.

Mr. Perry asked how the SPLC could disavow blame for Corkins while holding others culpable for Roof, calling the discrepancy a “breathtaking double standard.”

Rep. Clay Higgins, Louisiana Republican, questioned Mr. Cohen over why the SPLC would need to deposit millions in offshore accounts, given its status as a non-profit, tax-exempt entity.

The SPLC has invested nearly 20 percent, or $69 million, of its $320 million endowment in offshore equity funds and other investments, according to its 2016 annual report.


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/dec/2/antifa-isnt-hate-group-southern-poverty-law-center/
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idiot leftists, donating money to a scam organization that takes their donations and sticks them in Cayman Islands accounts :doh:
 
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The organization has been criticized for spending more of its money on fundraising and overhead and less on litigation than comparable groups like the American Civil Liberties Union. And it has taken flak for amassing a huge endowment—more than $200 million—that is disproportionately large for its operating costs. SPLC President Richard Cohen defends the endowment as necessary to ensure the group can survive legal battles that might last for years. (As for (co-founder Morris)Dees himself, he made $337,000 in 2015, according to the watchdog group Charity Navigator; Cohen made $333,000 the same year.) In 1994, the local paper, the Montgomery Advertiser, ran a series investigating the group’s marketing, finances and personnel practices that was a finalist for a Pulitzer Prize. (Dees responded—according to a transcript from a 1999 Nieman Foundation discussion on journalism about nonprofits—by mobilizing prominent liberal politicians for whom he had raised money to lobby the Pulitzer Board not to award the prize to the Advertiser.)


https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...splc-trump-southern-poverty-law-center-215312
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typical lawyer/scumbag
 
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The Horn said:
The SPLC is a watch dog organization that monitors hate groups around the USA .
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that's what it claims, and it was true in the past

what it has turned into lately is something very different

horn said:
It's not a hate group itself
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i'd characterize it as a willing tool of the "progressive" left, determined to silence voices that oppose the agenda of the "progressive" left

horn said:
It's a legitimate outfit and avery valuable one .
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again, that used to be the case

what it is now is a fund-raising behemoth that has found a base of financial support in the radical left

A challenge to [MENTION=10712]The Horn[/MENTION]: take some time, horn, and read the articles i've provided, listen to the youtube clips, dig a little deeper to understand why this is newsworthy today, what the danger is that they pose

then come back and discuss the OP - the responsibility they bear for the violence on Middlebury campus - violence that landed a leftist professor in the hospital and rehab because she had the temerity to suggest that Charles Murray's was a voice that deserved to be heard and challenged in open debate


Arthur Brain said:
Pretty much, it's only derided by far right zealots, trolls and cranks for oh so predictable reasons...
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A challenge to [MENTION=10403]Arthur Brain[/MENTION]: same challenge for you artie - explain why the SPLC shouldn't be held responsible for the role they played in the violence that erupted on Middlebury campus

discuss their placing Ben Carson on their "extremist watch list"

discuss the case of Maajid Nawaz, a fellow brit - is he a far right zealot, a troll, a crank?

it's easy to sling insults and labels, how being more than that here at tol, how about actually engaging more substantially?
 
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