South Carolina Officer Is Charged With Murder in Black Man’s Death

Angel4Truth

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So "Yes" you are relying solely on what the video showed as evidence.

yes, looks pretty clear cut to me. Ill be the first to say i was wrong if something explains why its ok to shoot a man in the back running away or how he was a threat to community - if he had been armed or threatening someone - would not that already be out?
 

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So "Yes" you are relying solely on what the video showed as evidence.
It's a solid prima facie case against the use of lethal force. He didn't actually have the officer's weapon and there was no compelling reason to suspect the heavy, fleeing suspect was attemting more than evasion of arrest. His superiors certainly felt that way upon further review.
 

CabinetMaker

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So "Yes" you are relying solely on what the video showed as evidence.



It's difficult to have an intelligent conversation with people who aren't familiar with the law nor the criminal element.

The officer, based on the SCOTUS ruling that I posted on page 1, was legally allowed to use deadly force against the fleeing suspect (who committed a felony by attempting to take his service weapon away from him) if he did indeed believe that said felon would be a danger to him or others.

Forgive me for not relying on the words of the Obama owned media or the video of some Hispanic kid who coincidentally started the video footage the very second that the suspect took flight, as I know there is more to the story.
No criminal intent has been established. The officers service handgun was in his holster at the start of the video. The taser leads are visible between the suspect and the officer as the suspect turns to flee. The video does not establish the facts as you wish them to be. Consider this: those who are paid to deal with determining criminal intent and are very familiar with all the laws that deal with this situation determined that murder chargers are appropriate.
 

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It's a solid prima facie case against the use of lethal force. He didn't actually have the officer's weapon and there was no compelling reason to suspect the heavy, fleeing suspect was attemting more than evasion of arrest. His superiors certainly felt that way upon further review.

So what you're saying is the only evidence that will be allowed at trial is the video footage?
 

CabinetMaker

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So what you're saying is the only evidence that will be allowed at trial is the video footage?
Only, of course not. But it will be the most damning evidence presented. We have radio communications where the officer saying things that are not supported by what is shown in the video which will greatly undermine the officers credibility.

You've seen the video, explain to use why it justifies the shooting of a fleeing man in the back in your opinion.
 

aCultureWarrior

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The video does not establish the facts as you wish them to be.

The video only shows what the Obama owned media and you liberals want to see.

On that note: Let's look at the big picture here.

You really should see what it's like to live in a city that has been subjected to federal decree oversight.

Anarchy is a good word for it, as the police are powerless and the criminal element are empowered.
 

Quincy

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It's a solid prima facie case against the use of lethal force. He didn't actually have the officer's weapon and there was no compelling reason to suspect the heavy, fleeing suspect was attemting more than evasion of arrest. His superiors certainly felt that way upon further review.

Well, Town Heretic, how dare you make sense. Goodness forbide people who know the cop, his career, disposition and the evidence from first hand instigation handle the situation appropriately instead of doing what armchair cops and fancy talking philosophers would do.
 

CabinetMaker

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The video only shows what the Obama owned media and you liberals want to see.
Obama does not own any media outlets. Since Richard Milhous Nixon, the relationship between the media and the office of the president has changed forever to adversarial.

On that note: Let's look at the big picture here.

You really should see what it's like to live in a city that has been subjected to federal decree oversight.

Anarchy is a good word for it, as the police are powerless and the criminal element are empowered.
The officer is not charge based on the big picture, he is charged based on the specifics of this incident.
 

Town Heretic

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Well, Town Heretic, how dare you make sense.
Just thought a change of pace couldn't hurt the joint. :eek:

Goodness forbide people who know the cop, his career, disposition and the evidence from first hand instigation handle the situation appropriately instead of doing what armchair cops and fancy talking philosophers would do.
Get ready for someone to cue the "bowing to Obama/public pressure/the evil left wing media" response.
 

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Obama does not own any media outlets.
Not yet!! :noid: But you just wait until the state owns every means of production. Hoooooboy will you be eating crow then.

Since Richard Milhous Nixon, the relationship between the media and the office of the president has changed forever to adversarial.
Blame Johnson a little too. His pushing through Kennedy's civil rights agenda made large sections of the country hostile. They were democrats in that day, but their descendants turned republican and altered the narrative from full blown racism to hating government empowered to "socially engineer" outcomes, etc.

The officer is not charge based on the big picture, he is charged based on the specifics of this incident.
Cue the "naive statist" rant to come. :)
 

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Blame Johnson a little too. His pushing through Kennedy's civil rights agenda made large sections of the country hostile. They were democrats in that day, but their descendants turned republican and altered the narrative from full blown racism to hating government empowered to "socially engineer" outcomes, etc.
That's a very important point that gets overlooked all the time. Conservatives scowl every time their position is accused on being covertly racist, and yet it is the frustration of traditional racist and sexist and privileged ideals and behaviors that has spawned and fueled this virulent neo-conservative hatred for government "intervention".

(Unless, of course, that intervention is protecting or enforcing their bigoted, self-serving agenda. Conservatives are all for government intervention when it's denying women the right to contraception and abortion, and denying gays the right to marry whom they choose, and denying the poor access to health care and food stamps, or it's spending trillions of dollars and millions of lives forcing "democracy" on other nations at gunpoint.)
 

Quincy

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Or why he tampered with the scene.

Apparently (surprise!) there's at least one complaint on record concerning this upstanding officer...

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/04/...nother-black-mans-claims-about-cop-seriously/

And the internal investigators in that case didn't even contact the witness before exonerating him. Oh I'm sure they had enough evidence to satisfy their criteria that he was innocent of charges...

We need a law that will have any officer's record made public whenever he/she shoots an unarmed civilian.
 

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Here is an interview with the man who took the video.



Santana, 23, also told NBC on Thursday that he didn't see Scott grab the officer's Taser -- an account that doesn't match what the officer told dispatchers about what led to the shooting following a traffic stop.
He said he ultimately revealed the video because what he saw -- a police officer shooting a man who was running away -- didn't match initial reports of the incident.
"As you can see in the video, the police officer just shot him in the back. ... And I knew right away that I had something in my hands," Santana told NBC's Lester Holt on Wednesday.

 

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Here's the first somewhat clear frame from the vid.
They are either holding hands or wrestling for the taser.
The Officer is reaching for his handgun with his other hand.
 
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