Silly Statements

[WizardofOz]

Nope, I'll stand by that one. A generalization, sure, but accurate rather than silly. Unless you can show me something inherent in the male gender that contradicts that.

I guess it depends on what constitutes a "hop, skip, and a jump" :idunno:

I am not a hop, skip and a jump away from raping anybody. Never was, never will be. I am sure 99% of men would agree, and that would be honest and accurate IMHO. - There; my generalization for the day :thumb:

You're wrong Mary. I'll debate it in that thread if you'd like to discuss it.

 

[MaryContrary]

I guess it depends on what constitutes a "hop, skip, and a jump" :idunno:

Environmental influences. Remove all those that discourage rape and there's nothing preventing a man from doing so. It fact, I'd hazard it'd not only be a behavior you'd expect to see but it'd be a favorite passtime for him.

You're wrong Mary. I'll debate it in that thread if you'd like to discuss it.

I've yet to have a discussion with you that didn't degenerate to the point where I strongly doubt either your honesty or your grasp on reality or both.
But okay, sure.

 

[WizardofOz]

Environmental influences. Remove all those that discourage rape and there's nothing preventing a man from doing so. It fact, I'd hazard it'd not only be a behavior you'd expect to see but it'd be a favorite passtime for him.

I should just re-post this to this thread. Silly.

I've yet to have a discussion with you that didn't degenerate to the point where I strongly doubt either your honesty or your grasp on reality or both.
But okay, sure.

Good start, ad-hominen attacks and baseless attacks on my overall credibility and honesty (and definite projecting). I take offense to both, especially the unfounded attack on my honesty. I won't even lie to my sons about Santa Claus. And here I thought we had been getting along recently.

Oh well. Once a jerk, always a jerk. :wave:

 

[MaryContrary]

Good start, ad-hominen attacks

You need to look up what "ad hominem" means.

and baseless attacks on my overall credibility and honesty (and definite projecting).

Are you suggesting I'm dishonest in my claims against your honesty? :dizzy:

I take offense to both, especially the honestly. I won't even lie to my sons about Santa Claus.

Then be more honest in your debates. :idunno:

And here I thought we had been getting along recently.

Because we haven't been talking to each other.

Oh well. Once a jerk, always a jerk. :wave:

It's unfortunate but that does indeed seem to be the case most of the time. But, yet, not always. So there's hope.

 

[Rusha]

I guess it depends on what constitutes a "hop, skip, and a jump" :idunno:

I am not a hop, skip and a jump away from raping anybody. Never was, never will be. I am sure 99% of men would agree, and that would be honest and accurate IMHO. - There; my generalization for the day :thumb:

You're wrong Mary. I'll debate it in that thread if you'd like to discuss it.

I agree. This is the type of reasoning that gives men an *out* in the situation of rape. Men are every bit as capable of controlling themselves as women are.

 

[MaryContrary]

I agree. This is the type of reasoning that gives men an *out* in the situation of rape. Men are every bit as capable of controlling themselves as women are.

Of course, if they have a reason to. Who suggested otherwise?

 

[WizardofOz]

You need to look up what "ad hominem" means.

:rotfl:
No, Mary you do. You started right in with attacking me, not my stance on the subject matter. Should I paste you a link to a dictionary site?

Are you suggesting I'm dishonest in my claims against your honesty? :dizzy:

Then be more honest in your debates. :idunno:

Show me one instance of my being any thing less than honest. If you cannot, I am standing by my calling you a bold faced liar who predictably degenerates to this type of behavior rather than debating topics like a mature person who does have a grasp on reality.

It's unfortunate but that does indeed seem to be the case most of the time. But, yet, not always. So there's hope.

After this latest tirade of yours, you have proven to me once again that you're incapable of mature interaction that don't start with personal attacks. There's always third and fourth chances to be had, however.

Grow up Mary. Really.

 

[WizardofOz]

Of course, if they have a reason to. Who suggested otherwise?

So, men are rapists by default?

Environmental influences. Remove all those that discourage rape and there's nothing preventing a man from doing so. It fact, I'd hazard it'd not only be a behavior you'd expect to see but it'd be a favorite passtime for him.

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You, my friend, are an idiot.

 

[Jackson]

Wow so much for the funny lighthearted thread... :noid:

 

[Rusha]

Of course, if they have a reason to. Who suggested otherwise?

Do you think men are so different or morally inferior to women that they wouldn't have a reason to?

 

[WizardofOz]

Wow so much for the funny lighthearted thread... :noid:

:sigh:

It's not over yet!

 

[MaryContrary]

:rotfl:
No, Mary you do. You started right in with attacking me, not my stance on the subject matter. Should I paste you a link to a dictionary site?

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the person" or "argument against the person") is an argument which links the validity of a premise to a characteristic or belief of a person advocating the premise.

Saying you're dishonest isn't an ad hominem. Saying your wrong or can be assumed to wrong on any given point because you're a dishonest person would be.

Show me one instance of my being any thing less than honest. If you cannot, I am standing by my calling you a bold faced liar who predictably degenerates to this type of behavior rather than debating topics like a mature person who does have a grasp on reality.

When I say dishonest, I'm referring to your habit of consistently mischaracterizing the position of those you "debate" with, to the point where the only logical conclusion is that it's intentional. I've accepted that explanation for this habit of yours after repeatedly correcting your characterization of my position time and time again in any given thread. No one is that bad at understanding what someone else is saying and yet intelligent enough to type. :idunno:

But as an odd excuse for an olive branch, I'll offer that it's possible this isn't intentional. You might just be nutz.

:After this latest tirade of yours, you have proven to me once again that you're incapable of mature interaction that don't start with personal attacks. There's always third and fourth chances to be had, however.

Grow up Mary. Really.

Just being honest. :idunno:

 

[MaryContrary]

So, men are rapists by default?

I have, from the beginning, been addressing whether men are inherently capable of rape. Capable by default. And barring any reason not to, they would. Just as anyone capable of doing something with no reason not to can be expected to.

Do you think men are so different or morally inferior to women that they wouldn't have a reason to?

If they had no reason not to? Yes.

Think about it a minute. You'll get it.


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Folks, I'm merely saying men are inherently able to rape. They have the capacity to do this. And barring any reason not to, they'll be inclined to it by their very nature.

 

[Uberpod1]

Mary mistakes the term "Man" and "Psychopath."

 

[MaryContrary]

Mary mistakes the term "Man" and "Psychopath."

I think maybe you and everyone else objecting here are being a tad hysterical. Perhaps, just perhaps, you should consider what I'm actually saying rather than what the voices in your heads are telling you.

Men are generally sexually aggressive. If a man has no reason to refrain from rape, he'll probably do so eventually.

Interestingly, you hit on this with your little quip. What's a psychopath but a man without any reason not to do whatever the heck he wants?

 

[Rusha]

If they had no reason not to? Yes.

Think about it a minute. You'll get it.

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Folks, I'm merely saying men are inherently able to rape. They have the capacity to do this. And barring any reason not to, they'll be inclined to it by their very nature.

I have thought about it and STILL completely disagree with you. Rape is an act of violence, just like any other type of abuse.

I think that people who act on violence do so in many cases because of the environment they were raised in.

Oh and before I forget, MEN do not commit the act of rape ... monsters do.

 

[WizardofOz]

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the person" or "argument against the person") is an argument which links the validity of a premise to a characteristic or belief of a person advocating the premise.

Saying you're dishonest isn't an ad hominem. Saying your wrong or can be assumed to wrong on any given point because you're a dishonest person would be.

Nice try.

I say you're wrong about your male rape comment, you say would debate it with me, but preclude possible debate by stating you feel I'm a dishonest person who is out of touch with reality. That's an ad-hominen, Mary; also known as a poisoning of the well fallacy. Put a dictionary on your Christmas list.

When I say dishonest, I'm referring to your habit of consistently mischaracterizing the position of those you "debate" with, to the point where the only logical conclusion is that it's intentional. I've accepted that explanation for this habit of yours after repeatedly correcting your characterization of my position time and time again in any given thread. No one is that bad at understanding what someone else is saying and yet intelligent enough to type. :idunno:

Funny how you always accuse people you debate with of mischaracterizing you. It's your fall back strategy. See how your accusation of my being dishonest is filled with all sorts of assumptions and faulty premises?

Good job though. You have successfully deflected from the asinine comment you made to make the debate about me and my honesty and integrity. Chalk that up as a small victory for your style of debate and overall lack of decency toward adversaries.

But as an odd excuse for an olive branch, I'll offer that it's possible this isn't intentional. You might just be nutz.

Just being honest. :idunno:

Yes. Keep up the personal attacks. It's obviously what your best at.

Again....grow up Mary.

 

[Rusha]

I think maybe you and everyone else objecting here are being a tad hysterical. Perhaps, just perhaps, you should consider what I'm actually saying rather than what the voices in your heads are telling you.

Men are generally sexually aggressive. If a man has no reason to refrain from rape, he'll probably do so eventually.

Interestingly, you hit on this with your little quip. What's a psychopath but a man without any reason not to do whatever the heck he wants?

That's because your whole argument is bunk. When raised correctly, a man will understand that "No means NO".

 

[WizardofOz]

:sigh:

It's not over yet!

Please make further responses to the corresponding thread

 

[MaryContrary]

How about you and I just ignore each other until we go away? That's worked pretty well up to now.

Here, I'll go first.