Should homosexuals be given the death penalty?
- Thread starter lovemeorhateme
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MORE problems come when humans elevate themselves to the position of God instead of loving one another like He commanded.
uk_mikey
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I was simply wondering why the facts about divorce figures in different states showed that increasing homosexual numbers would help to lower them.
That was what you were suggesting, remember?
"Massachusetts has the lowest divorce rate in the union. The red states are much worse. Maybe what the conservatives need are more homosexuals. Some tolerance could teach the people to be humble."
That point appears to be your opinion and belief.
Regarding my own opinion and belief, which you think "seems tailored to (my) own right wing agenda"...
Yes, I suspect that the vast amount of things written on TOL are opinion and belief, because it's a forum for sharing exactly those things.
Let me also explain my "agenda", upon which you make assumptions based upon your own opinion and belief...
All my opinions about homosexuality are based on personal experience in over 20 years of working and socialising in an almost exclusively homosexual environment.
As a homosexual (depending on your interpretation of the word), ...which I am in the eyes of those who use the word to describe someone who is sexually attracted to those of their own gender..., my 'agenda' is to convey facts which I have experienced in abundance, and to give a biased opinion, which has been formed over the years by those experiences.
I'm not very interested in how some states have a higher divorce rate than others, and how that can be shoehorned in some way into this thread, and made to sound relevent to it.
I'm more interested in helping those who haven't experienced the "gay culture" from the inside (so to speak), to see that there's a great deal more to the homosexual agenda than meets the eye.
I'm more interested in pointing out how liberal values have taken society from having social barriers, safeguards, and a common decency, to being dominated by a free-for-all of deviant and selfish behaviour... all under the banner of "equal rights".
It's the Fall of the Roman Empire all over again.
People are unable to argue against homosexual progress through society, for fear of the iliberal cries of "homophobic hate crime" ringing in their ears.
The so called "freedoms" and "equality" to do whatever they want, to advance the homosexualisation of society, are siren calls of the homo agenda, and the liberal bandwaggon is the perfect vehicle to achieve their goals.
People here will put the biblical arguements against homosexuals (even though this thread is oddly in the politics section), but I approach it from a personal and secular level, with no other agenda.
I was very much a liberal in every respect for most of my life. It's that life which has altered those views, and although I concider myself to have more right wing views than I used to have, these are not what dictate my attitude towards homosexuality.
It's my rather broad and 'full' experience as a homosexual in the company of many other homosexuals which has brought me to where I am now.
We can discuss publically available facts as much as we like, but opinions based upon factual experience should hold a conciderable amount of weight.
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cattyfan
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There, listed with homosexuality, is a host of other sins...all of which are worthy of eternal death.. It does not say it is our job to impose death on them in this life.
And all of us do things worthy of eternal death...but through the Grace and Mercy of our Lord and Savior, we will instead be given eternal life, provided we believe in Christ Jesus.
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Exactly, :up: except some people seem to think that it's only homosexuals in this passage who are guilty of such behaviours.......
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cattyfan
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there are plenty of places in the new testament where lists of sins appear, and sexual immorality is only one among many violations.
true, it's a shame that sexual immorality is focussed on to such an extent at the expense of many other issues.....
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cattyfan
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Mark 7: 20 And He (Jesus) said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him. 21 For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, 22 coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”
Christ didn't say "and sexual immorality is worst of all." He lists all the sins as evil.
Christ didn't say "and sexual immorality is worst of all." He lists all the sins as evil.
Excellent point. I don't understand why so much time is spent on the *sexual sins* of consensual adults rather than other sins that are intentionally hurtful...such as lying, stealing, cheating, bearing false witness, gluttony..
No. We give them the chance from the time they're caught to the time they die. Just like the Catholics do now. Well, the Catholics usually wait until the time of their execution. But I hope you get my point. We try our best to lead them to the Lord up to the last minute, if we have to.
Legal execution is not murder. Not as defined by God.I was trying to think of how this would apply to Loving our Neighbor as ourselves. I can't think of many ways that murder says, "I love you!" -- maybe there is a Hallmark card for this?
The ones who are celibate are not the ones who deserve to die.
But if a man finds a betrothed young woman in the countryside, and the man forces her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die.
-Deuteronomy 22:25
And in doing so you are forcing them to look at their lives, which could make them more likely to realize that they need Jesus.
uk_mikey
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Phewww!!!.... lucky escape! :banana:
I really like how the newbies come on to TOL and level accusations based on the few posts they've actually read.
Nobody condones those sins. Well, some people try to argue with us that cheating on one's spouse is not worthy of the death penalty, but the one who decried it the loudest ran away crying like a little coward, only to come back recently and get himself banned for lying about a moderator. So I wouldn't give him much credit.
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cattyfan-
Can you tell me why you don't think the commandment God gave Israel pertaining to homosexuals being executed by law should stand today?
Can you tell me why you don't think the commandment God gave Israel pertaining to homosexuals being executed by law should stand today?
Erm, you don't have to hang around here all that long to realise that there is a fixation with sexual immorality at the detriment of many other issues in the world LH...!
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cattyfan
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Lighthouse...this is something that has been repeatedly discussed here on TOL. You know my arguments as well as I know yours...and I won't tread this same ground again.
It is sad that the two of us...who profess the same beliefs...have such a wide gulf when it comes to this kind of thing. And your propensity to call for the death of others in so many situations frightens me.
I understand you find homosexuality repulsive...and I agree. It is a sin. But it is not a sin which I believe, from what I've studied and been taught, that calls for US to kill. (You know that from my last four years of posts.) Nor is it something under man's law for which we can put someone to death.
If you want to make the discussion about putting pedophiles to death, then you might be able to get me on board.
What? There's actually been a lot of people who have argued that adultery doesn't deserve the DP nowadays LH! Is your memory really so selective? And btw - it doesn't take much bravery to try and malign an opposing view to yours by saying that people 'ran off crying'.......