Shooting at First Baptist Church in Texas
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drbrumley
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Yes.
I don't know what else to say, besides continuing to repeat the truth. This is terrorism, and let's not permit terrorists to make our policy for us. Let's have courage and be brave and righteous. Instead of cowardly and immoral.
Our conservative friends are quick to jump to the conclusion that this was perpetrated by "terrorists" and the country needs to take action!
The reality, however, is that it was not perpetrated by some foreign terrorist, but a former member of the Air Force who received a discharge for "bad behaviour" for assault and served jail time!
Given that this yet another in a long list of tragic domestic incidents, that doesn't appear to be terrorist inspired, but the result of a disturbed citizen having access to semi-automatic weapons, conservatives will all express their sincere condolences and then proceed to sit on their collective hands rather than address the underlying issues!
I keep seeing people blaming a guy by the last name of Kelly for shooting a bunch of people. Wow. When will you get things right? This shooting was done by a gun. It loaded itself. Drove itself to the church. Got out of the car and walked itself around firing itself, and then kept on reloading itself. It then entered the church and kept on aiming and firing itself. Until another gun, all by itself, shot the gun originally causing all the problems.
This was all done by guns. This gun was a homicidal maniacal gun that was put out of its misery by a good gun.
People had nothing to do with this massacre or the stopping of it. It was all just the guns. They are the entire problem. People can't be evil. Only guns can be evil.
This was all done by guns. This gun was a homicidal maniacal gun that was put out of its misery by a good gun.
People had nothing to do with this massacre or the stopping of it. It was all just the guns. They are the entire problem. People can't be evil. Only guns can be evil.
If this had been perpetrated by an Islamic "terrorist," the President, Republican Congress and their supporters would all be demanding immediate action!
When it brings into question the wisdom of allowing the proliferation of semi-automatic weapons that can provide just one misguided American with the opportunity to kill/wound 100's of innocent men, women and children, however, all we receive are excuses to justify the "status quo!"
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WatchmanOnTheWall
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The shooter was trusted to have a gun. Everyone who has a gun is trusted with a gun until they shoot someone unlawfully.:idunno:
WatchmanOnTheWall
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Exactly, when are people going to learn. People are not the problem it's GUNS all the way down!!
If we all had guns then no one would shoot anyone, when are the governments going to start giving us free guns. This problem isn't going to go away until we ALL get more guns and ammo.
WatchmanOnTheWall
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Yes war is the answer:
Matthew 26:52
Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.
With respect to this latest particular bit of gun horror:
1. Did Kelly need a permit to have this weapon?
2. Did he have a permit?
3. How did he come into possession of this gun?
4. If he had a permit, how is it that an ex soldier with a history of domestic violence was able to obtain the appropriate permit?
And how do we, as a people respond to this? Enact rational and enforceable legislation? Or knuckle under to the lobby for gun manufacturers?
1. Did Kelly need a permit to have this weapon?
2. Did he have a permit?
3. How did he come into possession of this gun?
4. If he had a permit, how is it that an ex soldier with a history of domestic violence was able to obtain the appropriate permit?
And how do we, as a people respond to this? Enact rational and enforceable legislation? Or knuckle under to the lobby for gun manufacturers?
exminister
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So if we kill all the people, problem solved. Grenades don't kill people. The MOAB don't kill people. Nukes don't kill people. We need to put those in people's hands so we can solve the real problem - humans as noted above.
There must be some line where it no longer makes sense but maybe that is too logical and not fear based enough.
If there is no line then we will simply destroy ourselves thinking we are protecting ourselves. As the 60s saying goes - MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction.
- a gun owner-simple 22 rifle. Don't need an AK or a bump stock.
Deus autem nobiscum
Interplanner
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Twice this week the problem is solved by armed plainclothes/responsible citizens. We need them EVERYWHERE. The NSA should announce everywhere that they are deployed in every population center. These free-for-alls can then decide if they will take the risk of quick response.
everready
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Switzerland has something similar to our second amendment..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM8_bXhPlYo
everready
Ummm, folks were not sitting on their hands.
Folks took action immediately.
As soon as the nut-job was fired upon by a sane gun-owner, the nut-job dropped his weapon and ran.
He was shot dead.
If anything, this just shows that it would have ended sooner if everyone in the church had a gun.
And of course condolences are in order.
Where's yours?
exminister
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Wow. This guy was in a military prison for one year for assaulting his wife and kids, but he could legally own guns. People have their driver's license revoked for less crimes.
Yep.
The 2nd amendment is for citizens to arm and protect themselves against both foreign and domestic dangers.
In my opinion, he should have been shot when he assaulted his wife and child.
Reported so far:
As investigators try to determine a motive, they are also probing how the attacker obtained his gun. Kelley had sought a license to carry a gun in Texas but was rejected, Abbott said.
“By all of the facts that we seem to know, he was not supposed to have access to a gun, so how did this happen?” Abbott said in an interview on CNN. “We are in search of answers to these questions.”