Scripture. What is considered Scripture?
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glorydaz
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There have been many in-depth studies done on the genealogies of Jesus....all by men who searched the Scripture diligently. That's a word you are not acquainted with, I know.
"Relevant passages" you say. You don't even know what the relevant passages are. Matt. 1:11-12 is one of them. It's too bad you're so superficial in your Bible studies....there's some real gems in there. :chuckle:
glorydaz
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Your Evil is showing through. :chew:
So why did Matthew falsely report that there were 14 generations from David to the deportation?
So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David to the deportation to Babylon, fourteen generations; and from the deportation to Babylon to the Messiah, fourteen generations.
1 Chronicles clearly shows 18 generations.
Again, no one has even tried to answer except Angel4Truth, and the source she quoted only noticed one of the four missing generations.
And if it wasn’t the mistake of the writer of The gospel attributed to Matthew, whose mistake was it?
The big mistake is in declaring the false doctrine of inerrancy. God never promised us a perfect book, and pretending the Bible is inerrant in the face of these errors is a bad testimony.
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Your inability to defend your man-made doctrine, a doctrine not found in scripture, is showing.
Insults don’t trump facts.
It is a fact that 1 Chronicles lists 18 generations from David to the deportation.
And it is a fact that Matthew says all the generations from David to the deportation are 14.
Therefore it is a fact that Matthew has this error to add to the others already listed.
So it is a fact that your man-made doctrine of inerrancy is proved wrong.
And it is also a fact that you have not even tried to explain away this error.
This does not invalidate the value of the scriptures. It only destroys the false doctrine of inerrancy.
Ive already responded in detail. Here are a couple verses for you to ponder, the failure is yours as well as the error.
1 Timothy 1:4
Nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship from God that is by faith.
Titus 3:9
But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
Reminder of my answer that satisfies your "claim" of error again:
Is there an error in the counting of the generations in Matthew chapter 1?
Actually, this is a discussion of a false doctrine.
Your explanation deals with one missing name, Jehoiakim, and a count error of 41 rather then 42.
The person who prepared this explanation did not see the error that I pointed out: Matthew misplaced four generations with one and miscounted 14 instead of 17.
I mentioned the Jehoiakim error that the solution you offered tried to explain, but what you offered did not deal in any way with the error that I pointed out.
Please read my post on this. What you offered does not attempt to address it.
By the way, Angel4truth, some of the others who claim to be Christians should be pointing out how your copy-and-paste solution deals with a different problem than I presented.
Lon thanked you for once again posting something that did not address the error I raised! It think that is a sad commentary and a negative reflection on him.
Lon thanked you for once again posting something that did not address the error I raised! It think that is a sad commentary and a negative reflection on him.
TestedandTried
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It is the Christian Bible.
Shalom.
I am a Jew, Jewish. But I used to be a Christian. I considered the Bible to be Scripture.
I accept the TaNaK and Matthew through Revelation. I still have questions about what Scripture is, even accepting all of these. So your definition or accepting this is not wrong. Meaning, I understand that.
The TaNaK is the Torah (the Law, Torah means Instruction Teaching Direction and Law) the Nevi'im (the Prophets) and the Ketuvim (the Writings).
I have questions about if the Torah or the TaNaK is the Old Covenant or Scripture. Is the Torah the Old Covenant? Is the Torah Scripture? This is different from the Christian or the Christian Bible's Old Covenant or Old Testament.
What is the reading of the Old Covenant?
When was the TaNaK accepted as and called Scripture? This is not the same as discussing what is the Biblical or Christian Canon.
Also, what is the Jewish Bible and what is the Hebrew Bible?
The Law and the Prophets or the Law the Prophets and the Writings. How do we think about these?
How do we think about the Torah, the Law?
What is the Old Covenant and the New Covenant different from Scripture as Scripture is not the Old Covenant or the New Covenant? The covenants are found in Scripture, but they are not the Scriptures themselves. But then what is the reading of the Old Covenant?
The New Covenant is for the house of Israel and the house of Judah. It is God's law written on minds and hearts. It came in Christ Jesus, Yeshua HaMashiach, Jesus the Christ, Jesus the Messiah, Jesus Messiah. But this is different from the subject of this thread though related for clarification and because it may edify you based on your answer.
Shalom.
Jacob
Jacob,
My pastor during his sermons sometimes apologizes to Jews for our calling the Jewish scriptures the “Old Testament” and the way Christians have appropriated them as our own.
As far as I can tell, the church has always considered the Jewish scriptures to be part of the sacred scriptures, although there were and are differences in the specific documents considered canonical (appropriate for reading in church).
For example, the Festal Letter Of 367 by Bishop Athanasius included Maccabees (excluded by some Christians) and excluded Esther (included by nearly all Christians). The Book Of Enoch is an example of a document that has been sometimes, rarely, accepted.
My pastor during his sermons sometimes apologizes to Jews for our calling the Jewish scriptures the “Old Testament” and the way Christians have appropriated them as our own.
As far as I can tell, the church has always considered the Jewish scriptures to be part of the sacred scriptures, although there were and are differences in the specific documents considered canonical (appropriate for reading in church).
For example, the Festal Letter Of 367 by Bishop Athanasius included Maccabees (excluded by some Christians) and excluded Esther (included by nearly all Christians). The Book Of Enoch is an example of a document that has been sometimes, rarely, accepted.
Interesting. It sounds like people are learning.
TestedandTried
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I apologize for not reading your personal info before posting...so you consider yourself Jewish now, once having been a Christian.
My answer remains unchanged, but we can say that the Scriptures are inspired. The books of the prophets themselves testify to this, words to the effect: write this down as commanded by the Lord, are in those texts. The N.T. reinforces this in very clear language so that we know this is how those books were accepted. See II Peter 1:19-21:
We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. 20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
I will address some of your other queries/points by separate post a little later.
My answer remains unchanged, but we can say that the Scriptures are inspired. The books of the prophets themselves testify to this, words to the effect: write this down as commanded by the Lord, are in those texts. The N.T. reinforces this in very clear language so that we know this is how those books were accepted. See II Peter 1:19-21:
We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. 20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
I will address some of your other queries/points by separate post a little later.
Lon
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Yep, and here :Rev 22:18
For I testify together to everyone who hears the Words of the prophecy of this Book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add on him the plagues that have been written in this Book.
Rev 22:19
And if anyone takes away from the Words of the Book of this prophecy, God will take away his part out of the Book of Life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which have been written in this Book.
Some people are interested in their thoughts, not scriptures :Z
jsanford108
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Cobra, in an attempt to get past your attempts at pointing out error, which are erroneous, let us ask, what would be the repercussions from an errant text vs an inerrant text?