Satan Is The Wrath Of God

beameup

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We don't have an eternal soul.
Many references in the Tanakh refer to an eternal state "forever".
A descendant of David will sit upon the THRONE "forever".
The throne of David will be established "forever".
The land given to Abraham will be his descendants possession "forever".

Of the increase of his [Messiah's] government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even forever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this. - Isaiah 9:6
 

Ben Masada

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Many references in the Tanakh refer to an eternal state "forever".
A descendant of David will sit upon the THRONE "forever".
The throne of David will be established "forever".
The land given to Abraham will be his descendants possession "forever".

Forever in the Tanach is conditional to our obedience of God's Law. There is nothing forever as man is concerned. When Adam & Eve were banished from the Garden of Eden, the reason was to prevent them from eating of the tree of life and live forever. (Genesis 3:22,23) This was only to mean that there is nothing forever about man. Only HaShem is eternal because He never had a beginning and will never have an end.
 

beameup

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Forever in the Tanach is conditional to our obedience of God's Law. There is nothing forever as man is concerned.

Then you know little of the Tanakh first-hand, or you are lying to yourself,
because some of the covenants are UNCONDITIONAL and will be accomplished
by the WILL of God.

I see you ignored my comments about Messiah:
A descendant of David will sit upon the THRONE "forever".
The Throne of David will be established "forever".
The land given to Abraham will be his descendants possession "forever".
Genesis 15
 

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Then you know little of the Tanakh first-hand, or you are lying to yourself,
because some of the covenants are UNCONDITIONAL and will be accomplished
by the WILL of God.

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How in the world can a covenant be unconditional? That's not a covenant that is a law.
 

beameup

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Then you know little of the Tanakh first-hand, or you are lying to yourself,
because some of the covenants are UNCONDITIONAL and will be accomplished
by the WILL of God.

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How in the world can a covenant be unconditional? That's not a covenant that is a law.

You are demonstrating your ignorance. :dunce:
Perhaps your "holy spirit" is on vacation? :rotfl:
 
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Then why did Satan tempt man before the Fall?

Why would God be wrathful toward man before man sinned?

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lol Think about it. If you were given a big stick to hit sinners, and no one sinned what do you do with that big stick? The devil is the altar ego of satan. Do you know the name devil doesn't show up anywhere in the old testament. So as the devil satan tempted man so he could use his big stick.
That is one of the reasons Jesus came to tell us about the devil.

Rev 12:9
9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
(NKJ)
 

glassjester

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lol Think about it. If you were given a big stick to hit sinners, and no one sinned what do you do with that big stick?

So God made a weapon to punish sinners, before there were any sinners?

So then, He wanted sinners to punish, so He used His weapon (Satan) to make men into sinners - just so He could punish them?

Come on.
 

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So God made a weapon to punish sinners, before there were any sinners?

So then, He wanted sinners to punish, so He used His weapon (Satan) to make men into sinners - just so He could punish them?

Come on.

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lolol I don't know how smart you think God is, but He is pretty smart.. He knows all things, He knew man would go astray.
 

Tnkrbl123!

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lol Think about it. If you were given a big stick to hit sinners, and no one sinned what do you do with that big stick? The devil is the altar ego of satan. Do you know the name devil doesn't show up anywhere in the old testament. So as the devil satan tempted man so he could use his big stick.
That is one of the reasons Jesus came to tell us about the devil.

Rev 12:9
9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
(NKJ)

You do realize that the devil was told to us in Genesis right? and ALL through the Old Testament. People knew about satan thousands of years before Jesus you know that right? I mean Adam and Eve would have told their children about it. It is talked about extensively in Job. Jesus Christ came to us for a completely different reason than to tell us about satan!
 

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You do realize that the devil was told to us in Genesis right? and ALL through the Old Testament. People knew about satan thousands of years before Jesus you know that right? I mean Adam and Eve would have told their children about it. It is talked about extensively in Job. Jesus Christ came to us for a completely different reason than to tell us about satan!

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Not so. You will not find the word devil in the old testament. Go look.
 

Tnkrbl123!

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Not so. You will not find the word devil in the old testament. Go look.

And in my post i never used the word "devil" i used "satan" and the "enemy".........
"the devil" is a word that has been used to talk about satan because people do not want to say his name even. It has also led a lot of people to believe in a little red creature with horns and a tail running around with a pitch fork.
 

Tnkrbl123!

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Well i did say the devil because i had your previous post in mind i meant to say satan. but the devil is another gave given to satan because people do not want to say his name. lucifer and satan are the same thing in the bible
 

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You do realize that the devil was told to us in Genesis right? and ALL through the Old Testament.

And in my post i never used the word "devil" i used "satan" and the "enemy".........
"the devil" is a word that has been used to talk about satan because people do not want to say his name even. It has also led a lot of people to believe in a little red creature with horns and a tail running around with a pitch fork.

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I think your starting to get confused.
 

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Well i did say the devil because i had your previous post in mind i meant to say satan. but the devil is another gave given to satan because people do not want to say his name. lucifer and satan are the same thing in the bible

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Don't forget the trinity.

Rev 20:2
2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
(NKJ)

The devil is satans alter ego.
 

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SATAN MADE IN THE IMAGE OF THE WRATH OF GOD

2 Sam 24:1 O.T.
1 Again the anger of the LORD was aroused against Israel, and He moved David against them to say, "Go, number Israel and Judah."
1 Chr 21:1
1 Now Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel.
1 Chr 21:8
8 So David said to God, "I have sinned greatly, because I have done this thing; but now, I pray, take away the iniquity of Your servant, for I have done very foolishly."
Isa 54:16
16 "Behold, I have created the blacksmith who blows the coals in the fire, who brings forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the spoiler to destroy.
Isa 16:4
4 Let My outcasts dwell with you, O Moab; be a shelter to them from the face of the spoiler. For the extortioner is at an end, devastation ceases, the oppressors are consumed out of the land.
Mal 3:11
11 "And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, so that he will not destroy the fruit of your ground, nor shall the vine fail to bear fruit for you in the field," says the LORD of hosts;
2 Sam 24:16
16 And when the angel stretched out His hand over Jerusalem to destroy it, the LORD relented from the destruction, and said to the angel who was destroying the people, "It is enough; now restrain your hand." And the angel of the LORD was by the threshing floor of Araunah the Jebusite.
IKing 22:20-23
20 "And the LORD said, 'Who will persuade Ahab to go up, that he may fall at Ramoth Gilead?' So one spoke in this manner, and another spoke in that manner.
21 "Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD, and said, 'I will persuade him.'
22 "The LORD said to him, 'In what way?' So he said, 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' And the LORD said, 'You shall persuade him, and also prevail. Go out and do so.'
23 "Therefore look! The LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these prophets of yours, and the LORD has declared disaster against you."
2 Chr 18:19-22
19 "And the LORD said, 'Who will persuade Ahab king of Israel to go up, that he may fall at Ramoth Gilead?' So one spoke in this manner, and another spoke in that manner.
20 "Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD, and said, 'I will persuade him.' The LORD said to him, 'In what way?'
21 "So he said, 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' And the LORD said, 'You shall persuade him and also prevail; go out and do so.'
22 "Therefore look! The LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these prophets of yours, and the LORD has declared disaster against you."
Ps 139:4
4 For there is not a word on my tongue, but behold, O LORD, You know it altogether.
Ps 139:7-8
7 Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence?
8 If I ascend into heaven, You are there; if I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there.
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N.T.

Heb 2:14-15
14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,
15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
1 Tim 1:20
20 of whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I delivered to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.
2 Cor 3:14-15
14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ.
15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.
Rom 4:15
15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.
Rom 4:14
14 For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect,
1Thes 5:9-10
9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,
10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.
James 1:20
20 for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God.
Eph 2:1-3
1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,
2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,
3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
Rom 12:19-21
19 Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord.
20 Therefore "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head."
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Eph 4:31-32
31 Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice.
32 And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as God in Christ forgave you.
Matt 6:14-15
14 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
15 "But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
2 Tim 2:24-26
24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient,
25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,
26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.
Rom 5:8-9
8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.
(NKJ)
xxx Satan was created in the image of the wrath of God. But satan has to get permission to exercise wrath. That was and is his job. But because of pride he becomes the devil to deceive us. Once we are deceived into sinning then he exercises his right as satan to punish us.
God doesnt kill anyone. But He allows satan to do his job. You won't find the word devil in the old testament. Jesus came to reveal all this to us.


Heb 2:14
14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,
(NKJ)


John 19:11
11 Jesus answered, "You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above. Therefore the one who delivered Me to you has the greater sin."
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1 Cor 5:3-5
3 For I indeed, as absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has so done this deed.
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
(NKJ)

1 Tim 1:19-20
19 having faith and a good conscience, which some having rejected, concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck,
20 of whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I delivered to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.
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Luke 9:54-55
54 And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, "Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, just as Elijah did?"
55 But He turned and rebuked them, and said, "You do not know what manner of spirit you are of.
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John 8:7
7 So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first."
(NKJ)

I believe that this verse shuts down your idea as false

Matthew 12:26 - If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?​

The following verses show that you speak as the adversaries of Jesus and it would be smart to apologize to God for writing what you have written.

Matthew 12:31f, 32f - “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.​

I wonder if Jesus gives us an idea of who the Holy Spirit inside of him is?

John 14:10 - Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.​
 
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