Satan Is The Wrath Of God

[Squeaky]

SATAN MADE IN THE IMAGE OF THE WRATH OF GOD

2 Sam 24:1 O.T.
1 Again the anger of the LORD was aroused against Israel, and He moved David against them to say, "Go, number Israel and Judah."
1 Chr 21:1
1 Now Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel.
1 Chr 21:8
8 So David said to God, "I have sinned greatly, because I have done this thing; but now, I pray, take away the iniquity of Your servant, for I have done very foolishly."
Isa 54:16
16 "Behold, I have created the blacksmith who blows the coals in the fire, who brings forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the spoiler to destroy.
Isa 16:4
4 Let My outcasts dwell with you, O Moab; be a shelter to them from the face of the spoiler. For the extortioner is at an end, devastation ceases, the oppressors are consumed out of the land.
Mal 3:11
11 "And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, so that he will not destroy the fruit of your ground, nor shall the vine fail to bear fruit for you in the field," says the LORD of hosts;
2 Sam 24:16
16 And when the angel stretched out His hand over Jerusalem to destroy it, the LORD relented from the destruction, and said to the angel who was destroying the people, "It is enough; now restrain your hand." And the angel of the LORD was by the threshing floor of Araunah the Jebusite.
IKing 22:20-23
20 "And the LORD said, 'Who will persuade Ahab to go up, that he may fall at Ramoth Gilead?' So one spoke in this manner, and another spoke in that manner.
21 "Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD, and said, 'I will persuade him.'
22 "The LORD said to him, 'In what way?' So he said, 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' And the LORD said, 'You shall persuade him, and also prevail. Go out and do so.'
23 "Therefore look! The LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these prophets of yours, and the LORD has declared disaster against you."
2 Chr 18:19-22
19 "And the LORD said, 'Who will persuade Ahab king of Israel to go up, that he may fall at Ramoth Gilead?' So one spoke in this manner, and another spoke in that manner.
20 "Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD, and said, 'I will persuade him.' The LORD said to him, 'In what way?'
21 "So he said, 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' And the LORD said, 'You shall persuade him and also prevail; go out and do so.'
22 "Therefore look! The LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these prophets of yours, and the LORD has declared disaster against you."
Ps 139:4
4 For there is not a word on my tongue, but behold, O LORD, You know it altogether.
Ps 139:7-8
7 Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence?
8 If I ascend into heaven, You are there; if I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there.
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N.T.

Heb 2:14-15
14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,
15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
1 Tim 1:20
20 of whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I delivered to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.
2 Cor 3:14-15
14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ.
15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.
Rom 4:15
15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.
Rom 4:14
14 For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect,
1Thes 5:9-10
9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,
10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.
James 1:20
20 for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God.
Eph 2:1-3
1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,
2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,
3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
Rom 12:19-21
19 Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord.
20 Therefore "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head."
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Eph 4:31-32
31 Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice.
32 And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as God in Christ forgave you.
Matt 6:14-15
14 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
15 "But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
2 Tim 2:24-26
24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient,
25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,
26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.
Rom 5:8-9
8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.
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xxx Satan was created in the image of the wrath of God. But satan has to get permission to exercise wrath. That was and is his job. But because of pride he becomes the devil to deceive us. Once we are deceived into sinning then he exercises his right as satan to punish us.
God doesnt kill anyone. But He allows satan to do his job. You won't find the word devil in the old testament. Jesus came to reveal all this to us.


Heb 2:14
14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,
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John 19:11
11 Jesus answered, "You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above. Therefore the one who delivered Me to you has the greater sin."
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1 Cor 5:3-5
3 For I indeed, as absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has so done this deed.
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
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1 Tim 1:19-20
19 having faith and a good conscience, which some having rejected, concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck,
20 of whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I delivered to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.
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Luke 9:54-55
54 And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, "Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, just as Elijah did?"
55 But He turned and rebuked them, and said, "You do not know what manner of spirit you are of.
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John 8:7
7 So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first."
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[beameup]

xxx Satan was created in the image of the wrath of God. But satan has to get permission to exercise wrath. That was and is his job. But because of pride he becomes the devil to deceive us. Once we are deceived into sinning then he exercises his right as satan to punish us.
God doesnt kill anyone. But He allows satan to do his job. You won't find the word devil in the old testament. Jesus came to reveal all this to us.

But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will apostasize from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and :burnlib: doctrines of demons :burnlib: - 1 Timothy 4:1

 

[Squeaky]

Your blind

2 Cor 4:3-4
3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,
4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.
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[Squeaky]

wait you're quoting the OT. I didn't even know you had that half of the bible.

and satan isnt the wrath of god... LOL. PROVE IT

I said
Read the revelation. The revelation proves it. If you can see..

 

[Ben Masada]

Satan is the wreath of God!

Absolutely not! Considering that Satan is the concept to illustrate the evil inclination in man, the wreath of God could not be an evil inclination but rather the concept of an angel aka a righteous inclination.

 

[beameup]

Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about
all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands,
and his substance is increased in the land. But put forth thine hand now,
and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
Job 1:9-11,12
And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power;
only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from
the presence of the LORD.

 

[Squeaky]

Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about
all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands,
and his substance is increased in the land. But put forth thine hand now,
and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
Job 1:9-11,12
And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power;
only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from
the presence of the LORD.

I said
Your eyes are open.

 

[Squeaky]

Satan is the wreath of God!

Absolutely not! Considering that Satan is the concept to illustrate the evil inclination in man, the wreath of God could not be an evil inclination but rather the concept of an angel aka a righteous inclination.

I said
These are both the same story. Written in two different places. Both are true.

2 Sam 24:1 O.T.
1 Again the anger of the LORD was aroused against Israel, and He moved David against them to say, "Go, number Israel and Judah."
1 Chr 21:1
1 Now Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel.

 

[Ben Masada]

Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about
all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands,
and his substance is increased in the land. But put forth thine hand now,
and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
Job 1:9-11,12
And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power;
only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from
the presence of the LORD.

Every thing is possible in an allegory, even for Satan to persuade God to change His mind.

 

[Ben Masada]

I said
These are both the same story. Written in two different places. Both are true. 2 Sam 24:1 O.T. 1 Again the anger of the LORD was aroused against Israel, and He moved David against them to say, "Go, number Israel and Judah." 1 Chr 21:1 1 Now Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel.

Yes, that way is possible: The evil concept in David moved him to number Israel. Otherwise, how could the Lord move David to do something and after it was done He punished him for having done it? It makes no sense!

 

[Nick M]

Satan is the wreath of God!

Absolutely not! Considering that Satan is the concept to illustrate the evil inclination in man, the wreath of God could not be an evil inclination but rather the concept of an angel aka a righteous inclination.

God bargained with a concept? You're a fruit loop.

 

[Squeaky]

Yes, that way is possible: The evil concept in David moved him to number Israel. Otherwise, how could the Lord move David to do something and after it was done He punished him for having done it? It makes no sense!

I said
It makes a lot of sense. Satan was given the authority to punish sinners. Now his altar ego was the devil. The devil moves people to sin so that satan had authority to punish. You seen some of Davids sins.
David didn't really have a love of the truth.

II Th 2:9-12
9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
(NKJ)

 

[beameup]

Every thing is possible in an allegory, even for Satan to persuade God to change His mind.

Actually, our whole physical existence is within a 4 dimensional digital simulation created by God.
However, the soul is eternal and will some day be reunited with an "eternal" body in the resurrection.
So, if you think everything is simply an "allegorical" dream-state, you are in for a "rude awakening" :burnlib:

Yet God has made everything beautiful for its own time.
He has planted eternity in the human heart, but even so,
people cannot see the whole scope of God's work from beginning to end.
Ecclesiastes 3:11

 

[sirayuk]

Yes, that way is possible: The evil concept in David moved him to number Israel. Otherwise, how could the Lord move David to do something and after it was done He punished him for having done it? It makes no sense!

See these
Numbers 22:20,22
[20]And God came unto Balaam at night, and said unto him, If the men come to call thee, rise up, and go with them; but yet the word which I shall say unto thee, that shalt thou do.
[22]And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ***, and his two servants were with him.

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[Ben Masada]

God bargained with a concept? You're a fruit loop.

No, it is not God bargaining with a concept by Christianity afraid to see the end of a myth.

 

[Ben Masada]

I said
It makes a lot of sense. Satan was given the authority to punish sinners. Now his altar ego was the devil. The devil moves people to sin so that satan had authority to punish. You seen some of Davids sins. David didn't really have a love of the truth. II Th 2:9-12 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
(NKJ)

It makes no sense at all. Man was given the authority to punish himself when he was granted with the attribute of Freewill. Now, his outer ego was his own evil inclination. That's what caused the fall of David when he allowed himself to go after the enticements of beautiful women. Almost the same happened to Paul when he declared to honor the Law in his mind only while serving sin in his flesh. (Romans 7:25) To be intoxicated with the love for the Truth so that we may be saved, we need first to want and second to obey. Paul, for instance, in Romans 7:25 wanted that Truth but he could not obey because of his preference for the reason why he had to struggle agains the thorn in his flesh which was a sinful addiction.

 

[Nick M]

No, it is not God bargaining with a concept

You claimed satan is a concept. God bargains with your "concept" right here.

6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. 7 And the Lord said to Satan, “From where do you come?”

So Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.”

8 Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil?”

 

[Ben Masada]

Actually, our whole physical existence is within a 4 dimensional digital simulation created by God. However, the soul is eternal and will some day be reunited with an "eternal" body in the resurrection. So, if you think everything is simply an "allegorical" dream-state, you are in for a "rude awakening" Yet God has made everything beautiful for its own time. He has planted eternity in the human heart,but even so, people cannot see the whole scope of God's work from beginning to end. Ecclesiastes 3:11.

We don't have an eternal soul. When the Lord formed man from the dust of the earth, He breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and we became a living soul. (Genesus 2:7) To become is to be, not to have. It means we don't have a soul; we are souls. What planted the desire for eternity in the heart of man was religion. What God planted in the heart of man was the truth that we could not live forever if you read Genesis 3:22,23 when, allegorically He banished Adam & Eve from the Garden of Eden to prevent them from eating of the tree of life and lived forever.

 

[Ben Masada]

See these
Numbers 22:20,22 And God came unto Balaam at night, and said unto him, If the men come to call thee, rise up, and go with them; but yet the word which I shall say unto thee, that shalt thou do. And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ***, and his two servants were with him.

Every thing is possible in a dream. Every time Balaam received envoys from Balak king of Moab, Balaam told them to wait till morning because he had to consult HaShem through a vision of his mind. The anger was not with God but with Baalam in his struggle to decide either to continue being a legitimate prophet or, as it seemed to him, the promise of Balak to make him rich was speaking louder in his mind. To literally admit that God got angry is to undermine Him down to the level of man with explosive emotions.

 

[Ben Masada]

You claimed satan is a concept. God bargains with your "concept" right here. 6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. 7 And the Lord said to Satan, “From where do you come?” So Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.” Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil?"

Yes Nick, I am sorry! I did say that every thing is possible in a dream/vision or an allegorical text. Yes, the book of Job is an allegorical book and, indeed Elhohim was bargaining with Satan which in the book is not a concept but a real celestial being.