Wrong, schmuck
Salvation by Being Good
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marhig
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Mothers may well love their own, but it's easy to love your own. Try loving those those hate and persecute you, I think that's virtually impossible without God changing our hearts. We are mostly selfish by nature, we put ourselves and our own first in our lives. But God changes our hearts to love and care for all those around us, whatever they appear like outwardly. as Jamie rightly said, Jesus said why do you call me good, there's none good but God. if Jesus said that, then we are certainly not good by human nature, it's God in us that's good, not us, it takes God to change our hearts. Yes many do good works, but the true works are those that glorify God and not flesh.
As for mothers on crack, we don't know what they've been through in their lives, or what upbringing they have had. And that goes for those in jail too. It's better not to judge them and help them where we can, and bring God to them, some of them will have a better heart than many who profess to know God, and God looks at the heart. I have hope for everyone.
Luke 6
But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.
Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them..And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. And if ye lend*to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
marhig
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I'm up in North Wales
it's beatififul here isn't it?
Epoisses
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Well there might be a contradiction for a Dispy who has a gospel for everyday of the week. You people can play Christian all you want but you're just not.
Krsto
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The first time was when I was studying in London and our group took a day trip through Wales.
Last time I was "escorting" one of my boys who is trying to find a way to live in GB. I was escorting him because he gets lost in his own small town LOL so was kind of showing him the ropes about traveling overseas. We just went to Conway and Betys-y-Coed on the way to Anwick where he worked at a lodge for a few weeks.
Beautiful country. Quite a lot like my very wet and green hometown of Shelton, Washington. Nice to get out of the desert we're stuck in here in central Washington state.
Krsto
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I'm up in North Wales
Certainly is! Got to do some hiking in Snowdonia next time
marhig
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I live not far from there and we go up by the lakes often, Conwy and Betws y Coed are beautiful too, I'm blessed living in such a beautiful areaCertainly is! Got to do some hiking in Snowdonia next time
Krsto
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Good question! Will get back to it. Thanks!
Krsto
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I live not far from there and we go up by the lakes often, Conwy and Betws y Coed are beautiful too, I'm blessed living in such a beautiful area
Just wondering, are the Welsh ever going to adopt English as their official language LOL!
marhig
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Ha ha, we are half and half where I live
glorydaz
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I wish you'd try to actually read what is written instead of just enough to make a smart alecky comment. He was speaking of your comparison being wrong.
Epoisses
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There was no contradiction. Doers of the law fulfill it by love and the deeds or works of the law are merit based. Two completely different types of works - one acceptable and one unacceptable.
glorydaz
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Nope....the "doers of the law" must keep the law PERFECTLY. If you want to know about the law, read James.
James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Those who sin without the law still perish the same as those who sin in the law. BECAUSE you will not find a perfect DOER of the law except the ONE Lord Jesus Christ. The law of God written in all men's conscience stands ready to accuse them. That first time one chooses evil over good, he sins. No amount of good deeds performed by man will cover that sin. Except that ONE MAN...our Lord who was obedient unto death.
Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
In the same way, you can't "inherit eternal life"....it can only be received as a GIFT by Grace through faith. Romans 6:23
Epoisses
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A doer of the law is not the Pharisee who meticulously keeps every commandment. That's the second group who is never justified by the works of the law. Under the old covenant the law was written in stone and had to be physically performed. Under the new covenant the law is written in the heart and obedience is automatic.
glorydaz
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What do you mean it's "automatic"?
I think he must mean he doesn't worry about obedience, it takes care of itself? Which contradicts what he says
glorydaz
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Whichever....he can't explain how the "doer of the law is justified" without changing his tune about what Paul meant there in that text.
Krsto
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Whenever the word "law" is used we must ask ourselves, "What kind of law are we talking about here?"
Paul doesn't use the same word the same way, even in the same chapter. Here's a good example:
“Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law I became like one not having he law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. I do it all for the sake of the gospel, that I may share with them in its blessings.” – 1 Corinthians 9:19-23
So, 3:20 would be the uniquely Jewish laws and 2:13 the universal moral law.