You didn't answer my question. Why does the Holy Spirit dwell within us?
Ummm right...the inverse to what I wrote is closer...
I;m becoming more and more convinced that you're making this stuff up as you go along. I certainly don't see a lot of scripture supporting your assertions.
yes at work is probably not the best environment to do this sort of back and forth...not sure you really are trying to see but what you have already chosen...but you rather than address my answers you keep shifting goal posts and now resort to “you just making it up”...I could just as easily said you’re a reprobate and spared myself time for work rather than chase you around your clever loopholes and NOT FOR ME...could easily just leave it at:
Titus 1:6
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
1 John 2:
3By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: if we keep His commandments. 4If anyone says, “I know Him,” but does not keep His commandments, he is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But if anyone keeps His word, the love of God has been truly perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6Whoever claims to abide in Him must walk as Jesus walked.
Jude 1:4
For certain men have crept in among you unnoticed--ungodly ones who were designated long ago for condemnation. They turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality, and they deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
A Master without rules for us? That is denying Him.
Then why do you not limit yourself to keeping these five things?
5 oh you mean you agree you see James maintain the law of Moses will still be heard every Sabbath by these believing goyim...well see that’s just it...5 is no where near His Way...known as “the Way” 3 of these were to show how even lamb meat could be made unclean...offered to idols, strangled and full of blood...those Greeks crowding into synagogues every Sabbath WANTED to be well mannered and proper guests for the potluck to follow...
and yet even today rare steak is all the rage I hear...but not what the council determined for the believing goyim...the BOC...rebellion to manners and proper conduct stems from uncircumcised deceptive hearts...no Christ mind there
Why the vain (and it certainly is vain) attempt to keep the whole law?
what’s so vain about trying to keep the rules of any social function sacred or secular...NOT TO GAIN ENTRANCE but because we were invited and WANT TO BE THERE...so its vain to keep the rules of a game...or relationship...we are not barbarians or lawless...imagine telling your team...”oh that rule is not for me”...or your lover...”oh you wanted me to do that?”
Then you work in vain, and knowingly.
how is knowing you are a citizen of a country and desirous to be a good one working in vain by behaving in accordance to its Law? Now if I was keeping Japanese law while in Kenya in hopes to get citizenship of Japan that would be in vain...How is it to play on a team according to the rules of the game in vain during the game? Maybe if you played in hopes of making the team yes your work might be in vain...
Those of us who believe ourselves to be His people...do not play in order to become His people...we play according to His rules because we already ARE HIS PEOPLE...citizens of His...playing for His team...
Do hope it is starting to clarify for you over there in “NOT FOR ME” land...a stranger outside His people refusing to play along
I think you're confused. Pray tell what you think it means to be dead to the law.
already have but you shift the goal posts so much you forget your own racket you have here...
Dead to the Law is dead to the consequences of breaking the Law...the Law remains you are dead like the animal that was slain as an offering FOR YOU...and thus your WAGES for breaking the Law are settled...THE LAW REMAINS but you are dead...no longer your own as you are covered PAID FOR...by HIM having done nothing but accept and now in return be grateful and of course do works befitting repentance...as you realize that dead animal should have been you paying your own debt...but IN HIM you are untouchable...ya dig?
Romans 7:21-25
21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.
see? Paul wants to do good.
22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
well well well imagine that...
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind,
WHAT IS IN HIS MIND PUT THERE BY YAH? Oh yeah His LAW...
and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
yup that Law in his mind is indeed pointing out the sins of his members
24O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
see? what the Law does...it points out our need for Salvation a Savior
25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
WHY YOU STOP? See you with your clever sneaky editing MAKE UP interpretations I have to wrestle back into what PAUL actually wrote...this verse continues “So then, with my mind (where He put His Law into) I myself serve the Law of Yah...but with the flesh the law of sin.” BOOM...Paul admits being SAVED and still sinning...doing what he hates and not doing what he loves. Verse 15...it is a constant struggle to overcome to stay faithful IS WHY THE SPIRIT COMES TO GUIDE AND COMFORT...into Him His ways and NOT away from Him more like your former self or the world. Law remains NOT to save but to keep moving closer to Him...and of course not cause others to stumble for misrepresentation...with “Law aint for me”
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28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake,
yes the rejecting jews are
but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
so a promise remains to obedient blood Israel
30 For as you were once disobedient to God,
say what? Goyim disobedient to Yah but to them was NOT the Law given...or...
yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience,
hmmmm because of faith belief goyim replaced unbelieving blood Israel
31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy.
yes through jealousy of a nation not of Yah but now of Yah and its LOVE Jews will wish to repent and have faith in Him...He Who abolished that enmity Jews had of goyim and made one new citizen of Israel of the two...
32 For God has
[h]committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.
yup all have sinned so that all might be saved...NO DISTINCTION how they were saved FAITH and now HOW they do works befitting repentance...
33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!
ok...so what part of that says you no longer need to keep the Sabbath? His kingdom is divided is it?
Ok next:
Collosians 2:6-23
6 As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,
BOOM right out of the gate...we are to do as He did...BOC follows the Head...
7 rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith,
there it is FAITH ESTABLISHED from roots and building up IN HIM HIS WAY...the faith He had which was not Buddha or Muslim or Mormon
hmmmm...taught you are no longer under law? Remember Paul teaching Felix...self discipline righteousness JUDGEMENT...sounds like they are understudies of some discipleship training
abounding
[d]in it with thanksgiving.
well of course...knowing what was done for you BY HIM of course you will be grateful and WANT to learn His rules to His team and game...
8 Beware lest anyone
[e]cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world,
hmmmm so once they had it they could LOSE IT? Interesting...and to clever talkers like “do what thou whilst” or the even more diabolical “we are no longer under law”...to the classic “just love everybody love is all you need” oh and certainly the one hit wonder “rest everyday in Jesus”...continuous hits...to the head...the Christ mind...
and not according to Christ.
in deed does faith make void the Law? NO we establish LAW HIS LAW as we pray not our will be done but Thine on earth as it is in heaven...you think “not for us baby” the arrogance
9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead
yes order harmony heirarchy Law justice mercy
[f]bodily;
10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all
[g]principality and power.
in HIM is what then both Jew and goyim ONE LAW as it was in the OT...ONE LAW for the saved out of Egypt both Native and Foreigner
11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands,
why does this even matter if it is NOT FOR THEM?
by putting off the body
[h]of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,
well obviously they are under the law despite NOT BEING GIVEN IT...
12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
so dead to former selves and reborn IN HIM...contrary to Him? Different...divided Head is it? NO Christ-minded
13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh,
because the Law did apply to them who were NOT given it...
He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,
revealed by a Law to them
14 having wiped out the
[i]handwriting of requirements that was against us,
trespass the sins the wages the bill NOT the LAW...which was NOT handwritten but by the Finger of Yah
which was contrary to us.
Torah was NOT contrary to us...do this and LIVE...it was a delight remember sweet perfect...led to Salvation...need of Grace and savior
And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
can you nail stone to a cross? NO...the wages of sin were covered by His blood from His Father’s Wrath...the Law remained HalleluYah...points out further sin...until judgement day...
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a
[j]festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the
[k]substance is of Christ.
yup...indeed...their countrymen keeping new moons and Sabbaths considered Jewish must have been a shock to those non believing Colossians...they had their own calendar and festivals and diet...
Might I interest you in
https://www.cogwriter.com/news/churc...the-holy-days/ an interesting study of the Greek rendering it:
“Let no one judge you (in X Y Z...which ARE a shadow...)BUT the Body of Christ”
18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in
false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has
[l]not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
yup gnostic superstitious were prevalent even among hellenized Jews...
19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.
yup Head and Body in harmony...not divided between the Head His way and the body’s “no longer for me” rebellion...
20 [m]Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men?
clearly man’s gnostic and ritualistic...superstitious...asceticism was growing throughout the hellenized regions
23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion,
false humility, and
[n]neglect of the body,
but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.
so true...wonder what Paul was say about “oh no not for us...His Way...just for jews”
,,,once you are you revert back to keeping the law. A law that now profits you nothing.
Nothing? Is why you have the Spirit guide you through the Map...keep you from falling stumbling losing your grip of the Head...reverting back to your own vomit like a dog well that is gross and not just spiritually...once saved the Law is established implemented practiced followed...applied...you know fruits good works seperating His people into a peculiar Holy temple from joined houses of Jew and Goyim...doing works befitting repentance...because the WANT TO as He first LOVED them...yup from foreigner uncircumcised to circumcised citizens...keeping shadows which are of good things STILL TO COME...long after the cross...pray the Sabbath made for man not be broken in future times of trouble...since the world will HATE your obedience to Him...
You're arguing against scripture, not just with me.
nope...your use of them...the way you use the sword you are cutting yourself from your reward...not entering the kingdom and preventing others from doing so...NOT His way...
Galatians 3:24-26
24 Therefore the law was our
[a]tutor
to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
so when in primary school your tutor taught you 2+2=4...now that you are graduated does that change to 2+2=5 or 42 or the color red? Of course not...also now that you have graduated from your tutor do you no longer use the law of addition? Absurd...same with Christ...Law tutored you and He demonstrated it...voila!!...the Way unto righteousness after faith
Galatians 3:1-9
1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you
[a]that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed
[b]among you as crucified?
2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are you so foolish? H
aving begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have you suffered so
[c]many things in vain—if indeed
it was in vain?
5 Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— 6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”
7 Therefore know that
only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.
8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand,
saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.”
9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.
Surely you know the Celts from the Gauls were highly civilized and advanced pagan tribes...having customs laws and practices and language quite ancient...interesting to note is that pagan thought there gods needed appeasement and HAD TO DO in order to win favor or protection...an entirely foreign view to His people who understood He loved them already is WHY they offered thanks and tithes and were obedient because they belonged...not merit based as the pagans
So Paul realized they were returning to that manner of service practicing faith in order to gain favor...and even returning to their own ancient customs with compromises and assimilations...works of law vs by faith...pagan vs torah
Ok so:
Galatians 2:16
Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
yup...work dont save the whole OT testifies of that...and now
these pagans were learning...about HOW the Law was used...not that the Law was done away with...
What do you mean "less likely"? Either you are dead to the law or you are not.
you missed...dead to the Law is the animal killed so you dont actually have to be...but yeah you died...and not the law...go and sin no more...as now that law is not the ministry of death but IN HIM the law of liberty...neat eh? So we are dead to the Law IN HIM...but as Paul was clear and Peter too...watch out for false teachers who like you would rob one of their reward with another gospel another christ with claims we are NOT under the Law...and not regenerating us INTO less sinning Holy people...more Like Him less like our former selves...the world...even Paul was still warring with his flesh with His CHRIST MIND...those that overcome will receive the reward it says in the last book...well done good and faithful believer? No!! Good and faithful servant...one who hears and DOES the Word...
You can't have it both ways. Either you follow the law for righteousness or you do it in an effort to please God. You've claimed both. Which is it?
first you replace the wall between jew and goyim and then you divide His kingdom and now you would separate a grateful imitation’s sincerest form of flattery...of course He is pleased we obey and wish to be more like Him His Image as He made us to be...a true restoration...righteousness is actuall a by procuct of learning Mercy rather than sacrifice...to LOVE AS HE LOVED fulfills the Law...pleasing Him...and a Love JUST LIKE HIS is a jot and tittle full LOVE...nothing changed until the new heaven and the new earth where there is NO MORE SIN...as it was cast into the pit and with its wages...DEATH...but NOW restored IN THE NEW there is NO MORE SIN...thus no more need of the Law to point it out...Sabbath however remains as it was instituted prior the FALL and we all NOW IN THE NEW keep the Law naturally inner circumcised hearts and outward members...oh and not immortal but having put on immortality like a robe...still eating from the tree of life healing ALL nations not just Jews...one kingdom one Law one promise one people...
The reason you stubbornly cling to the law is that it puffs you up, to your own self-righteousness. Being saved already, it profits you nothing else.
it profited NOTHING to be saved...but NOW that spiritual law becaumes flesh in our own lives... Walk ye in it...finish the race...wow you really miss much of the Faith of Yahushua...just believe eh? and NOW WHAT? Fruits...bare fruits to good works befitting repentance to Him His way...keep your brother from stumbling...watch out for false teaching...work out your salvation with fear and trembling...correct reproof...study scripture to show yourselves approved...all scripture is Yah breathed instruction in righteousness...
Ironic when Paul wrote that to Timothy the only Scripture WAS the OT...
Collosians 2:16-23
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a
[j]festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the
[k]substance is of Christ.
18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in
false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has
[l]not seen,
vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with
the increase that is from God.
20 [m]Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and [n]neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.
Missed again...read what Paul wrote “you died in Christ why as THOUGH you were living in the world (remember pagans earning favor) why subject yourselves according to commandments and doctrines of men...that is NOT returning to TORAH...wow
You're arguing with Paul, not me.
am I? You really think Paul claims that ALL things like coveting adultery lying stealing killing dishonoring parents idolatry blasphemy and worshipping another god is Lawful...hmmmm maybe that is why Christendom is full of it...oh and eating Sunday Ham after church before football...yup...because we are no longer under law...what a mess...
I haven't claimed anywhere, to my knowledge, that the law is done away with. Every unsaved person is still under the law. What I've said, consistently, it that we are no longer under the law.
right...ok then...so saved...what keeps us knowing we sin? In need of mercy grace repentance ...to turn back to what? Keep what...follow what...do what...what works befitting repentance...dare we steal lie etc...that grace abounds...?
You certainly aren't going to receive many converts preaching the law.
this aint a popularity contest...or a majority wins all...in fact this way is narrow for a reason...ironically historically slaves flocked to the ekklesia as they received a day off...and masters in turn received obedient faithful servants...
Teaching that they are under the law and that Christ's sacrifice can free them from it is another matter. I highly recommend that approach.
teaching others to break the law is not looked at favorable by our Master...
I thought we were dead to the law. Again, which is it? Make up your mind.
yes the subtlety is the rub...Paul taught Felix self discipline and righteousness and Judgement which scared Felix because he was NOT a believer wanting to learn how to do it...of course everybody hates a test...except the well studied and prepared...
Studying and passing the test we are dead to the failing grade...but the red marker is still there searching to see if what the Tutor taught was still retained and correctly applied...
Oh and we study NOT to pass the test but because we wish to learn more...because we already are students...not trying to become students...the Tutor reveals this...
"The kingdom of His law"? Again, which is it? Are we dead to the law or not?
ok lets look at the law...
Biblical Hebrew did not have future imperative tense but present past...
King Jimmy’s translators really struggled to make it relevent today...and came up with THOU SHALT NOT...now tell me was that an accurate prediction at mount Sinai...thou shalt not?
Hebrew actually has closer to thou not kill...It is better understood in the Hebrew as 10 words or descriptions...of WHAT?...Of Him where He is:
Thus even Young’s translations of “thou dost not”...is more accurate as it reflects what He and His family does or does not do where they live...
There is no other god where “I Am”
So thou dost not steal where “I AM”
Thou dost not lie where “I AM”
Etc...
He is attempting to restore the relationship they had before the fall when NONE of this was done...except the first five including the Sabbath...made for ALL man...before the fall...what Grace...
Law is His character...to know Him is to Love Him as He loved you...just as
Titus 1:6
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
1 John 2:
3By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: if we keep His commandments. 4If anyone says, “I know Him,” but does not keep His commandments, he is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But if anyone keeps His word, the love of God has been truly perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6Whoever claims to abide in Him must walk as Jesus walked.
Jude 1:4
For certain men have crept in among you unnoticed--ungodly ones who were designated long ago for condemnation. They turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality, and they deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
Please don’t deny you are under His yoke...which is easy...you are not your own or free but His...not a Hindi cow walking aimlessly in the roads...but wearing a yoke of your Master...
1 John 5:3 especially to the BOC...they have His Spirit and example and guarantee...of a promise made so long ago...HalleluYah
And finally might I interest you in this study?
http://www.fogwhistle.ca/acts/evidence.html
save you from reading more of my stuff here haha..
