musterion
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Naw, too stoned and cheeto'd up.
Rush Limbaugh's theory on the Measles outbreak
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Naw, too stoned and cheeto'd up.
musterion
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Yep. After he cut off the black man's wings, with which he used to fly magnificently around the Pyramids the black man built, ol' Whitey has just been no darn good and a total drag on human progress.
Morpheus
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This would carry more weight if Rimbaugh's passion for the subject at hand involved actual measles victims.
This is doubly important because the nations of South America have only an 89% rate of measles vaccination, while the U.S. has a rate in the mid-90s.
So now we need to be doubly vigilant about making sure that we immunize our people to keep them from getting diseases that once were under control.
elohiym
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According to a statement by the CDC, "The outbreak likely started from a traveler who became infected overseas with measles, then visited the amusement park while infectious. However, no source has been identified."
The CDC also claims:
The CDC apparently does not want to emphasize that measles virus can also spread when it reaches communities where groups of people have been vaccinated because a minority of the people who got measles were vaccinated. Another fact the CDC omitted but should have included is that there is evidence of measles vaccine causing infection and symptoms of wild measles infection.
In this outbreak (2014-2015 U.S.), I think it was a tourist from one of the U.S. states or foreign countries where the same virus type has been found. Is Mexico one of those countries? :idunno:
The CDC also claims:
- The majority of the people who got measles were unvaccinated.
- Measles is still common in many parts of the world including some countries in Europe, Asia, the Pacific, and Africa.
- Travelers with measles continue to bring the disease into the U.S.
- Measles can spread when it reaches a community in the U.S. where groups of people are unvaccinated.
The CDC apparently does not want to emphasize that measles virus can also spread when it reaches communities where groups of people have been vaccinated because a minority of the people who got measles were vaccinated. Another fact the CDC omitted but should have included is that there is evidence of measles vaccine causing infection and symptoms of wild measles infection.
In this outbreak (2014-2015 U.S.), I think it was a tourist from one of the U.S. states or foreign countries where the same virus type has been found. Is Mexico one of those countries? :idunno:
elohiym
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It is not possible to eradicate measles through vaccination because mathematical analysis has shown that a naïve population of 250,000-500,000 is needed to maintain measles virus (6-8) and the number of people in the U.S. who cannot receive measles vaccination for medical reasons exceeds that number. Read the CDC's guidance on who should not get the measles vaccine to see that we are dealing with numbers far in excess of 500,000.
elohiym
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elohiym said:
In case anyone is interested in the evidence to support that claim:
Vaccine Strain Measles Reported
There have been published reports of vaccine strain measles with clinical symptoms that are indistinguishable from wild-type measles. 242 243 There are also a few reports of measles vaccine strain virus shedding and lab confirmed infection in children following MMR vaccination. In 2002, there was a published report by researchers in France of “a child presenting with fever 8 days after vaccination with a measles-mumps-rubella vaccine. Measles virus was isolated in a throat swab taken 4 days after fever onset. This virus was then further genetically characterized as a vaccine-type virus.”
In 2010, Eurosurveillance published a report about excretion of vaccine strain measles virus in urine and pharyngeal secretions of a Croatian child with vaccine-associated rash illness. 245 A healthy 14-month old child was given MMR vaccine and eight days later developed macular rash and fever. Lab testing of throat and urine samples between two and four weeks after vaccination tested positive for vaccine strain measles virus. Authors of the report pointed out that when children experience a fever and rash after MMR vaccination, only molecular lab testing can determine whether the symptoms are due to vaccine strain measles virus infection. They stated:
There have been published reports of vaccine strain measles with clinical symptoms that are indistinguishable from wild-type measles. 242 243 There are also a few reports of measles vaccine strain virus shedding and lab confirmed infection in children following MMR vaccination. In 2002, there was a published report by researchers in France of “a child presenting with fever 8 days after vaccination with a measles-mumps-rubella vaccine. Measles virus was isolated in a throat swab taken 4 days after fever onset. This virus was then further genetically characterized as a vaccine-type virus.”
In 2010, Eurosurveillance published a report about excretion of vaccine strain measles virus in urine and pharyngeal secretions of a Croatian child with vaccine-associated rash illness. 245 A healthy 14-month old child was given MMR vaccine and eight days later developed macular rash and fever. Lab testing of throat and urine samples between two and four weeks after vaccination tested positive for vaccine strain measles virus. Authors of the report pointed out that when children experience a fever and rash after MMR vaccination, only molecular lab testing can determine whether the symptoms are due to vaccine strain measles virus infection. They stated:
“According to WHO guidelines for measles and rubella elimination, routine discrimination between aetiologies of febrile rash disease is done by virus detection. However, in a patient recently MMR-vaccinated, only molecular techniques can differentiate between
wild type measles or rubella infection or vaccine-associated disease. This case report demonstrates that excretion of Schwartz measles virus occurs in vaccinees.”
wild type measles or rubella infection or vaccine-associated disease. This case report demonstrates that excretion of Schwartz measles virus occurs in vaccinees.”
There's no question at all that any live-virus vaccine, in an immune-deficient person, can produce symptoms of disease. I managed an immunology clinic in the AF, and I made sure my technicians would always ask if the person was taking immune-suppressant medication or had any immune difficiency disease.
It's not common, but it can happen. Surprisingly, it wasn't in 161-13, but it should have been..
It's not common, but it can happen. Surprisingly, it wasn't in 161-13, but it should have been..
That is correct. Scientific evidence like this is always presented in the form of percentages. Nothing is 100%. Even with the successful vaccination protocols with the polio virus, it was not completely irradicated.
Are you 100 percent sure of that?
Certainly contributing factors, among many others. Possibly, the virus itself has developed a resistance or mutation, making it stronger or more contagious. I wonder where, when and how it started in history. from an animal perhaps. I'll google it later -
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