Rush Limbaugh's theory on the Measles outbreak

shagster01

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You switched first, when did the indians offer vaccinations against measles outbreaks?

How did I switch? Eeset and Musterion were talking about this before I got here.

Either way, are the Mexicans purposely planning to bring measles? White men did that (or at least planned to) with smallpox to Natives. . .

http://academic.udayton.edu/health/syllabi/Bioterrorism/00intro02.htm

Andto answer your question. . . no, they did not have a vaccine, which makes it far worse.
 

shagster01

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Stoner really ain't concerned with long dead Injuns. He's in Blame Whitey guilt mode.

It's not about blaming whitey. It's about what goes around comes around. And even at that, we aren't getting it as bad. How many have died from Measles in the last year? Far less than the number of death caused by obesity. If you are concerned about public health, take up that battle.
 

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How did I switch? Eeset and Musterion were talking about this before I got here.

Either way, are the Mexicans purposely planning to bring measles? White men did that (or at least planned to) with smallpox to Natives. . .

http://academic.udayton.edu/health/syllabi/Bioterrorism/00intro02.htm

Andto answer your question. . . no, they did not have a vaccine, which makes it far worse.

Wow, off in left field again i see. Let me know when the high wears off so we can have a sensical conversation.
 

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How did I switch? Eeset and Musterion were talking about this before I got here.

Either way, are the Mexicans purposely planning to bring measles? White men did that (or at least planned to) with smallpox to Natives. . .

http://academic.udayton.edu/health/syllabi/Bioterrorism/00intro02.htm

Regarding the Left's claim that it was a vast Right Wing conspiracy to wipe out the American Indians with small pox infected blankets:

The Amherst-Bouquet letters have been used to support the proposition of germ warfare against native populations. Amherst may have discussed it in correspondence with Bouquet, but there is no evidence Colonel Bouquet carried it out. As he mentioned in his reply, Bouquet was afraid of what it would do to his own men and with good reason. Amherst-Bouquet letters written in 1763 were twenty-three years before Jenner’s work on vaccination, and one hundred years before Pasteur advanced his germ theory. The only thing known about smallpox in 1763 was…age, color of skin, social status meant nothing to the smallpox virus...an infected person died or, if lucky enough to survive was often disfigured for life. No matter how bad Amherst wanted to be rid of the Indians, it seems doubtful if Bouquet would unleash a disease on his soldiers which had already killed millions of his own countrymen.

The greatest source of the smallpox virus among Indians was from the infected blood of mutilated soldier, raids on surrounding settlements, scalps, clothing, and utensils. Returning from Fort Pitt to Indian villages up and down the East coast, many warriors carried smallpox infected war trophies. Contaminated warriors spreading the smallpox virus is never mentioned by proponents of Indian Genocide; it does not fit their biased agenda.
http://www.thefurtrapper.com/indian_smallpox.htm
 

Angel4Truth

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It's not about blaming whitey. It's about what goes around comes around. And even at that, we aren't getting it as bad. How many have died from Measles in the last year? Far less than the number of death caused by obesity. If you are concerned about public health, take up that battle.

Hello, isnt that what this thread is about, and what do the indians have to do with todays measles outbreak?
 

shagster01

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Hello, isnt that what this thread is about,

No, it's not about obesity.

and what do the indians have to do with todays measles outbreak?

That fact that people here are saying there is no proof whites brought small pox to indians therefore it didn't happen. And there is no proof mexicans brought measles to America therefore it did happen.

See the flaw in logic here?
 

Angel4Truth

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Stoner really ain't concerned with long dead Injuns. He's in Blame Whitey guilt mode.

It's not about blaming whitey. It's about what goes around comes around. And even at that, we aren't getting it as bad. How many have died from Measles in the last year? Far less than the number of death caused by obesity. If you are concerned about public health, take up that battle.

Hello, isnt that what this thread is about, and what do the indians have to do with todays measles outbreak?

No, it's not about obesity.

Wow you are totally tripping today, arent you.

That fact that people here are saying there is no proof whites brought small pox to indians therefore it didn't happen. And there is no proof mexicans brought measles to America therefore it did happen.

See the flaw in logic here?

yes, you are massively disconnected to reality today.
 

shagster01

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Regarding the Left's claim that it was a vast Right Wing conspiracy to wipe out the American Indians with small pox infected blankets:

The Amherst-Bouquet letters have been used to support the proposition of germ warfare against native populations. Amherst may have discussed it in correspondence with Bouquet, but there is no evidence Colonel Bouquet carried it out. As he mentioned in his reply, Bouquet was afraid of what it would do to his own men and with good reason. Amherst-Bouquet letters written in 1763 were twenty-three years before Jenner’s work on vaccination, and one hundred years before Pasteur advanced his germ theory. The only thing known about smallpox in 1763 was…age, color of skin, social status meant nothing to the smallpox virus...an infected person died or, if lucky enough to survive was often disfigured for life. No matter how bad Amherst wanted to be rid of the Indians, it seems doubtful if Bouquet would unleash a disease on his soldiers which had already killed millions of his own countrymen.

The greatest source of the smallpox virus among Indians was from the infected blood of mutilated soldier, raids on surrounding settlements, scalps, clothing, and utensils. Returning from Fort Pitt to Indian villages up and down the East coast, many warriors carried smallpox infected war trophies. Contaminated warriors spreading the smallpox virus is never mentioned by proponents of Indian Genocide; it does not fit their biased agenda.
http://www.thefurtrapper.com/indian_smallpox.htm

Thefurtrapper.com? Yeah, doesn't sound biased at all. :yawn:

Amazing that you always have a link showing white man is never to blame for anythimg.
 

aCultureWarrior

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Thefurtrapper.com? Yeah, doesn't sound biased at all. :yawn:

I looked for articles in High Times, but didn't find any.

Amazing that you always have a link showing white man is never to blame for anythimg.

You suffer severely from white liberal guilt Doper. While I did acknowledge that Europeans (along with the Spanish and Africans from the West Indies) did bring diseases to North America that the native savages weren't immune to, there is no proof that there was a conspiracy to wipe the barbarians out.

The Europeans (or as you call them "the white man") brought Judeo-Christian doctrine and culture to a land that was full of barbarians. For that reason and that reason alone, you white liberals will forever be filled with hate towards the early American settlers.
 

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Ironically, the measles strain in the Disneyland outbreak was not one of those found in Mexico, but someone did carry it into Mexico fhe United States, after the Disneyland outbreak.

As usual, Limbaugh is preaching to the ignorant and fearful. It's how he makes his money. P.T. Barnum was right. On the other hand, he might have slipped back into his drug habit, and really believes what he's saying. Hard to say.
 

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Ironically, the measles strain in the Disneyland outbreak was not one of those found in Mexico, but someone did carry it into Mexico fhe United States, after the Disneyland outbreak.

as ironic as the fact that the first recorded instance of british soldiers considering spreading smallpox among the native indian tribes during the French and indian war was rendered unnecessary by the actions of the Indians themselves, in transporting looted goods and captives (who were infected) back to their villages
 

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Mexico has higher vaccination rates than the US.

Illegal immigration that comes to the US via the Mexico way, aren't necessarily Mexicans.

The thousands of children refugees that recently were shipped all over the US came from central America, El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala and many diseases that haven't been seen here since the 60s and 70s have re-emerged.

One of them being a respiratory enterovirus that has killed and hospitalized many American children last year. Its strain was last seen here before last year, in the late 60s and early 70s and known to be quite prevalent in central and south America.

“This is the problem with some of the illegals that are here today. When a refugee comes here from a foreign country, they get a medical assessment and we know their health. But when they are here illegally, they don’t get medical assessments. And one thing that we don’t want to see is the uptick in hepatitis C, HIV and tuberculosis, but it is here. We are dealing with it. And it is very costly.”

– Maine Gov. Paul LePage

Something to be considered. Most peoples problem with immigrants isnt that they want to come here, but that its not done legally. Part of the legal process is checking health.
 
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