ECT Romans 11:25-36 can't be erased (Israel's Vision will be restored)

SaulToPaul 2

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Matthew 10
23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.


Matthew 25
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
 

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Matthew 10
23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

Matthew 25
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Clear as can be. Even a fiction writer should be able to understand some non-fiction once in a while.
 

Interplanner

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The biblical idiot, equivocates "race," with "nation"-he made it up.“Race” pertains to people, while “nationality” pertains to the nation. Duh. When race can/is defined by the bloodline, nationality is defined on the basis of borders, culture, tradition, culture, and language. When comparing the two, “nationality” has a broader meaning.


The word/term "race" does not appear in the book. The book does refer to differing peoples in terms such as family, tribe, people and nation. But it groups people according to familial relationships and then into nationalities. Suryey the familial relationship in Genesis 10 KJV, where the genealogies listed are grouped by family and tribe. Details......nowhere are the sons of Noah associated with race, or color of skin. Genesis 10:5 KJV:


5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

Thus, the "family" and national division is displayed, as well as separation by geography/location, and language("tongue"-survey Acts).

By surveying Genesis-Revelation, the LORD God made/make no distinction between "races" regarding salvation, or blessing; re. "blessing,"He is very clear on the "type" of blessing in view, towards a particular nation/people of that nation. (tongue). When the LORD God commanded the children of Israel to be a separated people(see my references to Scripture, which Interplanner deletes, waves away with his magic wand/broom), or to "wipe out" other peoples, it was always based upon the principle of separation, from sin="be ye separate.". Survey Paul in 2 Corinthians 6:14 KJV.

But the LORD God certainly did make a distinction between nations as pertaining to "election;" election/"choosing" to service, not salvation-thus, the nation of Israel, despite protests to the contrary. Now....






"Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.' John 8:56 KJV

What was Abraham "rejoiced to see"? The Lord Jesus Christ tells us in Mt. 25:31 KJV:

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory..."

Abraham was looking to "that day" when the covenants with him would be fulfilled in the Lord Jesus Christ when He returns to earth in glory.

Note the order in Mt. 25:31 KJV, and when this verse is fulfilled. The Lord Jesus Christ has to return to earth "in his glory." Accompanying him will be "all the holy angels." Neither of these has yet to occur. "Then" He shall "sit upon his throne of glory." Is "then" other than a time word indicating future? Could "His throne of glory" be David's throne? Or does Christ have another throne, besides David's throne? And where is this "throne of glory?" Since the Lord Jesus Christ is coming to earth, it must therefore be on earth. From there he will judge the nations (not the "races")as the following verses in Mt. 25 ff indicate.

Nowhere in scripture does it say that the Lord Jesus Christ is sitting on David's throne in "heaven" presently. Yes, He's in heaven, "the third heaven," all right, but not on David's throne.David's throne was always on earth, not in "the third heaven."

Nothing in Scripture says Christ is currently functioning as Lord of lords and King of kings. That will happen after His return to earth in wrath, power and glory. The fact is, Reppy's/Preterists/"Interplanners"'s are robbing Israel of their program and telling God He is wrong when He says that the believg remnant of the nation Israel will be restored to glory, and will then be a blessing to the whole earth. The body of Christ is not, nor will ever be Israel, no matter how much effort and twisting of Scripture is done to attempt to "prove" it.

Reppy's, Preterists............are in defiance of what the scriptures teach, flipping the bird at God the Father, and His Christ. That is why there is so much confusion in the body when word must be "spiritualized" to make it fit. Right division is the answer, as well as recognizing the authority of Paul's message and ministry. Where in the Abrahamic covenant is a king promised and covenanted with Abraham? Abraham was promised a "great nation" through whom all the world would be blessed. We receive blessings by being Abraham's seed, not a king.

The Lord Jesus Christ did not teach His disciples a gap would occur in their program, for the Kingdom was yet to be offered three times in the early Acts period. When the nation of Israel rejected God the Holy Spirit (they had already rejected God the Father and the only begotten Son), which coincided which the rejection of the third offer of the kingdom, then the LORD God temporarily set aside His "prophetic" program with the nation Israel, and "raised up" the apostle Paul, through whom He revealed His "mystery" program for today. If you fail to understand this, then you will remain confused and confounded-and IP displays this in every single post.

Most are blind to "see" Eph. 3:9 KJV, and you do not rightly divide the word of truth. I trust in the Lord Jesus Christ in this dispensation as head of the Body, rather than King of Israel. The Lord Jesus Christ will be King over the Messianic Kingdom when He returns at His second coming, "the second time," which is yet future. The Lord Jesus Christ did not come as king in His first advent, but as Saviour and "the deliverer," the intent of "Messiah/Christ." "Covenantalists" preach the Lord Jesus Christ's offices as prophet, priest and king, but He has more offices than that. And dispensationalists, despite the chrges/grunts from the crowd, do not "lower" the Lord Jesus Christ from His throne to a position of exile-that is scripture's teaching, which they "spiritualize" away. Again, nothing in scripture says the Lord Jesus Christ is currently functioning as Lord of lords and King of kings. That will happen after His return to earth in wrath, power and glory. Most of "Christendom" are attempting to rob the believing remnant of the nation Israel of their program, irrevocable, promises/gifts "without repentance," and telling the LORD God He is wrong when He says that the nation Israel will be restored to glory, and will then be a blessing to the whole earth. The body of Christ is not, nor will ever be Israel, no matter how much effort and twisting of Scripture is done to attempt to prove it.

The Lord Jesus Christ is not exerting "all power in heaven and in earth" today, despite assertions that He is. The king was rejected, and the LORD God interrupted the prophetic program. The Lord Jesus Christ is in exile with God the Father "til" all His enemies are put under His feet. That does not say He doesn't not have the power, but He is not exerting that power today. Satan is called the prince of the power of the earth, and the god of this world. The dominion of both the heaven and the earth was lost to Satan, which most just "don't get." The only way the Lord Jesus Christ is King on David's throne is if we are in the Messianic Kingdom right now, and we're not, despite "spiritualization" that we are. Just take a look at this "grave yard" called planet earth. e There will be a literal kingdom, a literal king, on earth, ruling from Jerusalem, with Israel as the head nation. And the body of Christ has no part in this-NADA.

Most tear Romans through Philemon right out the book, thinking Paul was just a "two bit flunkie," waiter. At a minimum, most marginalize this section of scripture that applies to today and would rather pretend, "pose," that they are somehow a "warmed over Israel." I recognize the Lord Jesus Christ as "head" of the body of Christ, rather than King over Israel. We have a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ, as our head, and are co-heirs with Him. How can someone be a co-heir with your King? Impossible. We are not subjects, but adopted sons, and thus HEIRS. Only by ignoring a significant body of scripture, or twisting it to fit a dogma, can someone be a co-heir with the King.

The Lord Jesus Christ is seated at the right hand of God, therefore He is currently on God the Father's throne. The Lord Jesus Christ is in exile until He returns in wrath and power. He will not be on His own throne until His return to earth to reclaim His earthly Kingdom. That's when the Lord Jesus literally sets His feet back on the Mount of Olives, as the angel in Acts 1 indicates.

Regarding the throne, the Lord Jesus Christ made a promise to His disciples that "... in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel"(Mt. 19:28 KJV). Amillennialists would have us believe this refers to the Lord Jesus Christ sitting at the right hand of God. If this is true, then the twelve must have been seated with Him at that time on their thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. But we know that at the time the twelve were hiding behind locked doors or were in prison. Therefore, if the Lord Jesus Christ’s promise is to be fulfilled, it will be sometime in the future. Premillennialists understand the regeneration" to refer to that time of renewal and restoration spoken of by all the OT prophets. This is referred to as the Messianic or Millennial Kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ.

This is the same time Peter in Acts 3:19 KJV told the men of Israel about when he said "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord." Notice that Israel's sins won’t be blotted out until this time of refreshing- so no Day of Atonement until that day.

Peter goes ahead and says in verses 20, 21: "And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hat spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began." Of course, the Lord Jesus Christ tells Peter, James and John: Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. (Mt. 17:11 KJV).

First, note Peter said nothing about them believing that Christ died for their sins(1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV), only to repent and be converted. This is not the body of Christ's message, no matter how most parse the words. Secondly, this is all future and requires a return of Elias, before Christ sets up His literal, earthly kingdom in the millennium.

The Lord Jesus Christ taught in Luke 19:11-27 KJV, by parable, that He was going to a far country, eg. Heaven. He was going to that far country, not to establish a kingdom, but to receive authority for a kingdom, then to return and establish His kingdom. Contrary to what Amillennialists, and Postmillennialists for that matter, teach, the Lord Jesus Christ taught that His return will result in the establishment of His kingdom. Then what is stated in Rev. 5:10 KJVwill occur: the believing remnant of the nation Israel saints shall reign on the earth, with the Lord Jesus Christ on His throne. This has no reference to the body of Christ, which will reign in the heavenly places in Christ.

The Lord Jesus Christ's throne-on earth:

"And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom." Mt. 20:21 KJV


"To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne." Rev. 3:21 KJV

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God the Father's throne
"Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places
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"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:." Eph. 1:3 KJV
"And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus..." Eph. 2:6 KJV

=Members of the body of Christ will with the Lord Jesus Christ in the heavenlies upon God the Father's throne, but kingdom members will sit upon the Lord Jesus Christ's throne on earth.

The kingdom: set up suddenly, violently by force: Daniel 2:44 KJV; Jer. 33:15 KJV; Mt. 11:12 KJV, Mt.24:27 KJV; Mal. 3:1 KJV; Is. 11:4 KJV, Is. 19:1 KJV; John 6:15 KJV; Revelation/a literal, eternal kingdom, in which location is earth: Deut. 11:21........(to many references)/eartthly kingdom promised only to Israel: 2 Sam. 7:12-16 KJV; Jer. 30:4-12 KJV; Luke 1:32 KJV, Luke 12:32 KJV; Mt. 21:43 KJV, Mt. 25:34 KJV; Acts 3:19-21 KJV-"That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth." Deut. 11:21 KJV/prepared from the foundation of the world: Mt. 13:35 KJV, Mt. 25:34 KJV; Luke 11:50 KJV, and spoken about since the world began KJV: Luke 1:68-70 KJV; Acts 3:21-24 KJV/Jesus Christ is "King of the Jews". "King of Israel"(too many references)/waiting for a kingdom: Hebrews 12:28 KJV/ believers' relationship: king-subject-servant/an outward, earthly, political organization to be set up/ushering in of the kingdom will be preceded by wrath and tribulation(too many references)/"having received the kingdom"(Luke 19:15 KJV), enter into the kingdom of heaven"(Mt. 18:3 KJV), "inherit the kingdom"(Mt. 25:34 KJV)

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The church, the body of Christ: is being built up gradually- a process: 1 Cor. 3:9-11 KJV; Col. 2:7 KJV; Eph. 2:20-22 KJV/location is heavenly places: Eph. 1:3 KJV, Eph.1:10 KJV, Eph. 1:20 KJV, Eph. 2:6 KJV; Philiippians 1:3,20; Col. 1:5, 3:1-4; 2 Cor. 5:20; 1 Cor. 6:3/chosen in Him before the foundation of the world: Eph. 1:4 KJV; 2 Tim. 1:9 KJV; 1 Cor. 2:7 KJV, and kept secret, hidden, since the world began: Romans 16:25 KJV; Eph. 3:5-9 KJV; Col. 1:26 KJV; 1 Cor. 2:7 KJV/ called: a house- 1 Tim. 3:15 KJV, a temple-1 Cor. 3:16-17 KJV, 1 Cor. 6:19 KJV; Eph. 2:22 KJV; a building-1 Cor. 3:9 KJV; but never called a kingdom/Jesus Christ is "the head of the body": Eph. 1:22 KJV, Eph. 4:15 KJV, Eph. 5:23 KJV; Col. 1:18 KJV, Col. 2:19 KJV/looking "for that blessed hope": Titus 2:13 KJV; 1 Thes. 1:10 KJV, 1 Thes. 2:19 KJV; Romans 8:11-23 KJV(not looking for the anitchrist)/believers' relationship:head/member: Romans 12:4-5 KJV; 1 Cor. 6:15 KJV, 1 Cor.12:12-27 KJV; Eph. 4:25 KJV, Eph. 5:30-32 KJV=a joint union /an invisible, spiritual organism to be "caught up"/members of the body of Christ have been delivered from the wrath to come: Romans 5:9 KJV; 1 Thes. 1:10 KJV, 1 Thes. 4:13-5:11 KJV; Gal. 1:4 KJV/no such language as "receive the church", "enter the church", "inherit the church"...


Therefore, as the Lord Jesus Christ stated, His kingdom reign will occur at a later date. As a result, the throne of David is yet unoccupied. To believe anything else is to "spiritualize" otherwise clear scripture.


Carry on....but there is NADA any drone, disgruntled Reppy/Preterist, can do about this:


Psalm 2:6 KJV

Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.


This will happen, in the future, when the God the Fathers sets His Christ, as KING OF KINGS, and LORD OF LORDS, in Jerusalem, as the only King, in a dictatorship, for what He did at Calvary, alone, having been mocked on earth, despised by most, and, before dying for us, was spit upon, was beaten/whipped, so badly, that He was unrecognizeable, was made to endure a crown of thorns, the very thorns that He created, as his "King Hat," had his beard plucked out, and then nailed to a cross......and he said not a word. And the crowd jeered Him, made fun of Him.


His enthronement.....All to the glory of God.........


This will happen, despite protests to the contrary, This Saviour will BE HONORED, and GLORIFIED, and Isaiah 45: 23 KJV will be fulfilled...

1 Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

2 I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:

3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.

4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the Lord have created it.

9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

10 Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?

11 Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.

12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the Lord of hosts.

14 Thus saith the Lord, The labour of Egypt, and merchandise of Ethiopia and of the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over unto thee, and they shall be thine: they shall come after thee; in chains they shall come over, and they shall fall down unto thee, they shall make supplication unto thee, saying, Surely God is in thee; and there is none else, there is no God.

15 Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.

16 They shall be ashamed, and also confounded, all of them: they shall go to confusion together that are makers of idols.

17 But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.

19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the Lord speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.

20 Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.

21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

24 Surely, shall one say, in the Lord have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

25 In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

....as every knee will bow, and every tongue will confess, that the Lord Jesus Christ, is God, as it is written...






Romans 14:11 KJV

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Philippians 2:10-11 KJV

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.






Sorry, John but there is no way to respond to a million things. You are just too full of yourself to realize how to converse and discuss.

Acts 2:30 clearly says the resurrection was the enthronement of Christ on David's throne, in the same way that 'sit at my right hand' is expressed when the apostles are quoting the OT on that. In Acts 4, they prayed to change events in history based on that enthronement, using the same Ps 2 and 110.

Yes, there is a future judgement of the world. But the 10 NT passages on the 2nd coming do not have the Judaic detail you think--the 10 I often list. The best of which is 2 Peter 3. they just have the judgement of this world and the NHNE.
 

Interplanner

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If there was no presumption that race itself was going to be blessed by God, there would be no Jn 1 and a hundred other NT passages distinguishing faith in Christ from being a member of a certain race.
 

Interplanner

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'In this way...' in Rom 11 is not about sequences of one period after another after another. It is about the hardness. The race will be partially hard to the end, because it always was partially hard. (He provides all kinds of examples of this in chs 9-11). But the Israel of faith will be justified from its sins.

Notice how 11:30 is not about a distant future, in explaining the OT quotes just used. It is about the level ground now in Christ (or outside of Christ for those who don't believe!). That's how the gifts and calling of God cannot be changed. It never was about the race/nation.
 

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'In this way...' in Rom 11 is not about sequences of one period after another after another. It is about the hardness. The race will be partially hard to the end, because it always was partially hard. (He provides all kinds of examples of this in chs 9-11). But the Israel of faith will be justified from its sins.

Notice how 11:30 is not about a distant future, in explaining the OT quotes just used. It is about the level ground now in Christ (or outside of Christ for those who don't believe!). That's how the gifts and calling of God cannot be changed. It never was about the race/nation.

Nope.

For as is the recurrent pattern within many a writer in Scripture, so with Paul's writings as well - he not only jumps back and forth between various aspects of what he is describing, but also, between different issues.

Those various aspects being a part of either one or another of those different issues.

And in Romans 11, he is jumping back and forth between his description of what has presently become of Israel; what God is now doing instead; and what is become of Israel's future.

Fact of the matter is that 11:30 is not a continuation of 11:29.

Rather, of things Paul has said earlier in the chapter, that he then jumped to another subject from, after which he then returns to the subject he jumped from, which is where 11:30 comes in.

Many of the writers of Scripture share this trait - one minute Moses is talking about the Israel of his day, then next thing one knows, he is talking about something that will not come to pass until at some point after thousands of years have passed.

There is Daniel, praying about them in his day, in Daniel 9; thousands of years later.

And there is Peter, preaching about them in Acts 2 and 3, even more thousands of years later.

One minute Isaiah or Jeremiah are speaking to and of the Israel of their day, the next they are speaking of Israel's New Covenant and so on as if it is just around the corner.

Many of them do that, repeatedly.

The writer of Hebrews; John's Revelation; you name many of them - they each write as if laying out from a vision, what we now refer to as a Mind Map...

Where all sorts of interconnected, not always chronological events and ideas are depicted, or laid out as one, overall image...

You've much to learn about the most basic of Scripture and its writers, IP.

And the sooner you put away your decades old over-reliance on the ever endless notions of men based on their guessing at a thing, without so much as their batting an eye that that is exactly what they do; the sooner you might begin to move yourself to a perspective from within which you actually do know what you are not only looking at in the passages, but speaking on them, at last, with any actual authority.

Isaiah 8: 20
 

john w

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Sorry, John but there is no way to respond to a million things. You are just too full of yourself to realize how to converse and discuss.

Acts 2:30 clearly says the resurrection was the enthronement of Christ on David's throne, in the same way that 'sit at my right hand' is expressed when the apostles are quoting the OT on that. In Acts 4, they prayed to change events in history based on that enthronement, using the same Ps 2 and 110.

Yes, there is a future judgement of the world. But the 10 NT passages on the 2nd coming do not have the Judaic detail you think--the 10 I often list. The best of which is 2 Peter 3. they just have the judgement of this world and the NHNE.

That is this fraud's best volley-"Well, John, IMO, you see, well, uh, urr...."


You're not in my league, Butch. Take your seat.
 

john w

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Give your comments on Acts 2:30+

No, Butch, I/others expound to you, you delete/dismiss what we argue, as you take your magic wand, and craftily delete verses, dismiss them, and our interpretation, and change the subject. I already "commented" on Acts 2:30 KJV, and various topics, but you ignore most of what I/others post, you fraud. You're not in my league, and don't have the authority to order anyone around, on our(not your, demon) board.
 

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No, Butch, I/others expound to you, you delete/dismiss what we argue, as you take your magic wand, and craftily delete verses, dismiss them, and our interpretation, and change the subject. I already "commented" on Acts 2:30 KJV, and various topics, but you ignore most of what I/others post, you fraud. You're not in my league, and don't have the authority to order anyone around, on our(not your, demon) board.
Indeed, this fraud thinks that he can magically make "would raise" mean "has already been raised" by his bogus interp methods.
 
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Interplanner

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No, Butch, I/others expound to you, you delete/dismiss what we argue, as you take your magic wand, and craftily delete verses, dismiss them, and our interpretation, and change the subject. I already "commented" on Acts 2:30 KJV, and various topics, but you ignore most of what I/others post, you fraud. You're not in my league, and don't have the authority to order anyone around, on our(not your, demon) board.





I don't care about any of that. What are your comments--how do you render--Acts 2:30, 31? Pin down all antecedents, so we know what each "it" "that" and "him" are, OK? Stop wasting your time.
 

Interplanner

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Or Rom 1: the descendant of David enthroned and declared to be the Son of God by the power of the resurrection event. Jesus Christ our Lord. Funny how Lord and Christ are there again bestowed on Jesus by the resurrection, just like Acts 2. Funny how unified Peter and Paul are.
 

john w

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I don't care about any of that. What are your comments--how do you render--Acts 2:30, 31? Pin down all antecedents, so we know what each "it" "that" and "him" are, OK? Stop wasting your time.

No, Butch, I/others expound to you, you delete/dismiss what we argue, as you take your magic wand, and craftily delete verses, dismiss them, and our interpretation, and change the subject. I already "commented" on Acts 2:30 KJV, and various topics, but you ignore most of what I/others post, you fraud. You're not in my league, and don't have the authority to order anyone around, on our(not your, demon) board.

You admitted devil child, as your father does, the father of lies, so you do, also.
 

Interplanner

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No, Butch, I/others expound to you, you delete/dismiss what we argue, as you take your magic wand, and craftily delete verses, dismiss them, and our interpretation, and change the subject. I already "commented" on Acts 2:30 KJV, and various topics, but you ignore most of what I/others post, you fraud. You're not in my league, and don't have the authority to order anyone around, on our(not your, demon) board.

You admitted devil child, as your father does, the father of lies, so you do, also.





I don't ignore comments on Acts 2, I debate them. Did you lose and have decided to avoid me? What are your counter arguments? David foresaw the resurrection and knew that Christ would be enthroned that way. That's the 'David' who was to come, just like Moses who was to come in ch 3.

What did you think of the weird future of Israel docu-vision-drama today on Daystar? Not weird?

You admitted I was a child of the devil. I did not.
 

john w

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I don't ignore comments on Acts 2, I debate them. Did you lose and have decided to avoid me? What are your counter arguments? David foresaw the resurrection and knew that Christ would be enthroned that way. That's the 'David' who was to come, just like Moses who was to come in ch 3.

What did you think of the weird future of Israel docu-vision-drama today on Daystar? Not weird?

You admitted I was a child of the devil. I did not.
Yes you have ignored, Butch, as I/others expound to you, you delete/dismiss what we argue, as you take your magic wand, and craftily delete verses, dismiss them, and our interpretation, and change the subject. I already "commented" on Acts 2:30 KJV, and various topics, but you ignore most of what I/others post, you fraud. You're not in my league, and don't have the authority to order anyone around, on our(not your, demon) board.

You admitted devil child, as your father does, the father of lies, so you do, also, as you satanically assert, on record, that Judas preached the good news/gospel of Christ, as outlined in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, demon.
 

john w

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See post #233: no one proclaims Jesus is Lord (genuinely) except by the Spirit of God. (I'm not a slave girl from Acts 8).

Irrelevant=JW's, Romans, Mormons, ....assert that "Jesus is Lord." You lie, as your father does, the father of lies, so you do, also, as you satanically assert, on record, that Judas preached the good news/gospel of Christ, as outlined in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, demon.
 

Right Divider

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Or Rom 1: the descendant of David enthroned and declared to be the Son of God by the power of the resurrection event. Jesus Christ our Lord. Funny how Lord and Christ are there again bestowed on Jesus by the resurrection, just like Acts 2. Funny how unified Peter and Paul are.
Funny how you will NOT tell us when Christ came with all his holy angels and THEN sat on the throne of His glory.

Matthew 25:31-33
 

Interplanner

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Yes you have ignored, Butch, as I/others expound to you, you delete/dismiss what we argue, as you take your magic wand, and craftily delete verses, dismiss them, and our interpretation, and change the subject. I already "commented" on Acts 2:30 KJV, and various topics, but you ignore most of what I/others post, you fraud. You're not in my league, and don't have the authority to order anyone around, on our(not your, demon) board.

You admitted devil child, as your father does, the father of lies, so you do, also, as you satanically assert, on record, that Judas preached the good news/gospel of Christ, as outlined in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, demon.





If RD quotes Ezek 37 and thinks it is about the nation, but the NT says there is a living temple and we are living sacrifices in that temple, whose using a magic wand?
 
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