beloved57
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How do you believe the Gospel when you teach that sinners Christ shed His Blood for are lost and condemned as though His blood did nothing !
Righteousness and Justification by Faith
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How do you believe the Gospel when you teach that sinners Christ shed His Blood for are lost and condemned as though His blood did nothing !
Salvation has been provided for all by the doing and the dying of Jesus, Hebrews 2:9. However, nothing is yours until it is received by faith.
beloved57
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What kind of gospel you believe that teaches Christs blood shed for one leaves them lost, condemned, unredeemed ?
The lost are like you, they are trying to be saved some other way than by faith in Christ. You don't have faith. What you have is John Calvin the heretic.
beloved57
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You just dont believe Christ shed blood for one saves them. Thats unbelief, not faith in His Blood !
It is quite certain that when we read that God will have all men to be saved it does not mean that he wills it with the force of a decree or a divine purpose, for, if he did, then all men would be saved.
He willed to make the world, and the world was made: he does not so will the salvation of all men, for we know that all men will not be saved. Terrible as the truth is, yet it is certain from holy writ that there are men who, as a consequence of their sin and their rejection of the Saviour, will go away into everlasting punishment, where there shall be weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth.
There will at the last be goats upon the left hand as well as sheep on the right, tares to be burned as well as wheat to be garnered, chaff to be blown away as well as grain to be preserved.
There will be a dreadful hell as well as a glorious heaven, and there is no decree to the contrary.
beloved no 57 -was this written for you ? Appears so.
What then? Shall we try to put another meaning into the text than what it fairly bears?
I do not think so. You must, most of you, be acquainted with the general method in which our older Calvinistic friends deal with this text.
“All men,” they say, — “that is, some men”: as if the Holy Spirit could not have said “some men” if he had meant some men.
“All men,” they say; “that is, some of all kinds of men”: as if the Lord could not have said “all kinds of men” if he had meant that.
Why do you guys believe that the Holy Spirit could not write what he meant to write?
What then? Shall we try to put another meaning into the text than what it fairly bears?
I do not think so. You must, most of you, be acquainted with the general method in which our older Calvinistic friends deal with this text.
“All men,” they say, — “that is, some men”: as if the Holy Spirit could not have said “some men” if he had meant some men.
“All men,” they say; “that is, some of all kinds of men”: as if the Lord could not have said “all kinds of men” if he had meant that.
Why do you guys believe that the Holy Spirit could not write what he meant to write?
More from Spurgeon. Hi-lights show where Calvinism is so so wrong.
A knowledge of the truth reveals the atonement by which we are saved: a knowledge of the truth shows us what that faith is by which the atonement becomes available for us: a knowledge of the truth teaches us that faith is the simple act of trusting (yes- synergistic), that it is not an action of which man may boast; it is not an action of the nature of a work(Calvinist listen to this - faith is not a work, OK), so as to be a fruit of the law;
but faith is a self-denying grace which finds all its strength in him upon whom it lives, and lays all its honour upon him. Faith is not self in action but self forsaken (got it now), self abhorred, self put away so that the soul may trust in Christ, and trust in Christ alone.
There are people now present who are puzzled about what faith is. We have tried to explain it a great many times to you, but we have explained it so that you did not understand it any the better; and yet the same explanation has savingly instructed others. May God the Holy Spirit open your understandings so that you may practically know what faith is, and at once exercise (synergism again) it. I suppose that it is a very hard thing to understand because it is so plain.
When a man wishes the way of salvation to be difficult he naturally kicks at it because it is easy; and, when his pride wants it to be hard to understand (TULIP), he is pretty sure to say that he does not understand it because it is so plain. Do you not know that the unlettered often receive Christ when philosophers refuse him, and that he who has not called many of the great, and many of the mighty, has chosen poor, foolish, and despised things? That is because poor foolish men, you know, are willing to believe a plain thing, but men wise in their own conceits desire to be, if they can, a little confounded and puzzled so that they may please themselves with the idea that their own superior intellect has made a discovery (TULIP);
and, because the way of salvation is just so easy that almost an idiot boy may lay hold of it, therefore they pretend that they do not understand it. Some people cannot see a thing because it is too high up; but there are others who cannot see it because it is too low down. Now, it so happens that the way of salvation by faith is so simple that it seems beneath the dignity of extremely clever men.
May God bring them to a knowledge of this truth: may they see that they cannot be saved except by giving up all idea of saving themselves; that they cannot be saved unless they step (synergism again) right into Christ, for, until they get to the end of the creature, they will never get to the beginning of the Creator.
Until they empty (and again) out their pockets of every mouldy crust, and do not have a crumb left; they cannot come and take the rich mercy which is stored up in Christ Jesus for every empty, needy sinner. May the Lord be pleased to give you that knowledge of the truth!
(Calvinist listen to this - faith is not a work, OK),
A knowledge of the truth reveals the atonement by which we are saved: a knowledge of the truth shows us what that faith is by which the atonement becomes available for us: a knowledge of the truth teaches us that faith is the simple act of trusting (yes- synergistic), that it is not an action of which man may boast; it is not an action of the nature of a work(Calvinist listen to this - faith is not a work, OK), so as to be a fruit of the law;
but faith is a self-denying grace which finds all its strength in him upon whom it lives, and lays all its honour upon him. Faith is not self in action but self forsaken (got it now), self abhorred, self put away so that the soul may trust in Christ, and trust in Christ alone.
There are people now present who are puzzled about what faith is. We have tried to explain it a great many times to you, but we have explained it so that you did not understand it any the better; and yet the same explanation has savingly instructed others. May God the Holy Spirit open your understandings so that you may practically know what faith is, and at once exercise (synergism again) it. I suppose that it is a very hard thing to understand because it is so plain.
When a man wishes the way of salvation to be difficult he naturally kicks at it because it is easy; and, when his pride wants it to be hard to understand (TULIP), he is pretty sure to say that he does not understand it because it is so plain. Do you not know that the unlettered often receive Christ when philosophers refuse him, and that he who has not called many of the great, and many of the mighty, has chosen poor, foolish, and despised things? That is because poor foolish men, you know, are willing to believe a plain thing, but men wise in their own conceits desire to be, if they can, a little confounded and puzzled so that they may please themselves with the idea that their own superior intellect has made a discovery (TULIP);
and, because the way of salvation is just so easy that almost an idiot boy may lay hold of it, therefore they pretend that they do not understand it. Some people cannot see a thing because it is too high up; but there are others who cannot see it because it is too low down. Now, it so happens that the way of salvation by faith is so simple that it seems beneath the dignity of extremely clever men.
May God bring them to a knowledge of this truth: may they see that they cannot be saved except by giving up all idea of saving themselves; that they cannot be saved unless they step (synergism again) right into Christ, for, until they get to the end of the creature, they will never get to the beginning of the Creator.
Until they empty (and again) out their pockets of every mouldy crust, and do not have a crumb left; they cannot come and take the rich mercy which is stored up in Christ Jesus for every empty, needy sinner. May the Lord be pleased to give you that knowledge of the truth!
(Calvinist listen to this - faith is not a work, OK),
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They indeed must hear and believe, Robert.
But before they are able to hear and believe they must be given "ears to hear" (Eze. 36:26), as it were. Until that "zapping" happens, what it being heard is but the clashing of symbols to the unregenerate's ears, whose mind processes what is being heard wrongly.
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Ouch, the old "God is the author of sin" argument again. Along with cherry picking a text out of context.
“Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them” (Romans 2:14-15)
Wonder why this passage is in the Bible. Did God make a mistake?
Wonder why this passage is in the Bible. Did God make a mistake?
I have quoted Spurgeon ( A Calvinist) at length. Oddly, he LABOURS this point at great length in his sermon 1516.
If only Calvinists would read (the Bible or their mentors)!
Howbeit that some that heard the Gospel on the day of Pentecost also had participated in the crucifixion of Christ? Acts 2:23 also Acts 2:36. Were they God's elect?
beloved57
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You reject the Gospel. You don't believe that Christ blood saves!
The Holy Spirit has given up on you. You are now a reprobate.
beloved57
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You teach that sinners Christ shed His Blood for are lost and condemned. So you don't believe Christ Blood saves Duh !
lifeisgood
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Hey, Beloved57:
Do you tell your children when you put them to bed that God loves them?
Or
Do you tell them that they might be ones that were born only so God could send them to hell and there isn't a darn thing they can do about it?
Tambora and I are still waiting for an answer.
Do you tell your children when you put them to bed that God loves them?
Or
Do you tell them that they might be ones that were born only so God could send them to hell and there isn't a darn thing they can do about it?
Tambora and I are still waiting for an answer.
He will not answer you, because he believes that all was decided before the foundation of the world. He sees God as a heartless robot.
beloved57
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You teach that Jesus blood is powerless to save them He shed it for !