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@LogicStandsBeforeGod says:



Jesus did not raise another man from the dead until after He had been given authority to do so.

He did so on His own authority.

The Apostles, for comparison, did so on HIS authority.



It's only nonsensical if He wasn't God to begin with. He became obedient to death, even the death of the cross.



It's not nonsensical.

It's not a sham.



No.

I agree with 1.
I disagree with 2.
Regarding 3.: Yes, Jesus raised a man from the dead. And then He raised Himself after being in the grave for three days and three nights.
I agree that God is not the author of confusion. So either I'm not being clear enough, or you're not understanding what I'm saying.
I disagree with 5. God tells us He sent His only begotten Son to die, and then He rose from the dead on the third day. The evidence supports that claim. The evidence in the Bible.

First, I get my evidence from the Bible which has been substantiated by the truth that God has given me personal reasons for believing he is real, alive, knows what is going on in my life and cares. I cannot deny that scripture is real for it is a faith thing. I co not doubt there is a God who is capable of knowing all things. Surely a God who inspired prophets to write scripture in the first place would be capable of protecting truth no matter the language translation - unless the Devil has inspired lies to deceive. Christians must question things and get help from the living God the Spirit in us.

I can think of three huge topics right off the top of my head which are important to understanding what Jesus, as the Son of God / son of man accomplished.
Topics:
1. What precisely is death?
2. Did God The Spirit [The WORD] die when Jesus as a mortal human [son of man] died upon the cross?
3. Where exactly did Jesus go while his body lay in the tomb for three days and what did he do?

 

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First, I get my evidence from the Bible which has been substantiated by the truth that God has given me personal reasons for believing he is real, alive, knows what is going on in my life and cares. I cannot deny that scripture is real for it is a faith thing. I co not doubt there is a God who is capable of knowing all things. Surely a God who inspired prophets to write scripture in the first place would be capable of protecting truth no matter the language translation - unless the Devil has inspired lies to deceive. Christians must question things and get help from the living God the Spirit in us.

I can think of three huge topics right off the top of my head which are important to understanding what Jesus, as the Son of God / son of man accomplished.
Topics:

1. What precisely is death?

Answer: Separation. Physical death is the separation of body from soul. Spiritual death is the separation of creation from Creator.

2. Did God The Spirit [The WORD] die when Jesus as a mortal human [son of man] died upon the cross?

Answer: God the Son is the One who died on the cross. The Holy Spirit did not die. The Father did not die.

3. Where exactly did Jesus go while his body lay in the tomb for three days and what did he do?

Answer: He preached in Paradise, to the righteous undead, then led captivity captive, holding the keys to death when He ascended.

 

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Answer: Separation. Physical death is the separation of body from soul. Spiritual death is the separation of creation from Creator.



Answer: God the Son is the One who died on the cross. The Holy Spirit did not die. The Father did not die.



Answer: He preached in Paradise, to the righteous undead, then led captivity captive, holding the keys to death when He ascended.

Hello JudgeRightly, Thank you for your response.

1. Death: I agree with your statement. but will add: Death of the body and the spirit do not happen instantaneously. There are stages.

a.) The first death for mankind is a physical death, but the spiritual death comes later.

b.) The spirits of the saved and unsaved humans go to separate places and live either in bliss or torment.

c.) Yet there is a second death for humanity. Now, I'm curious if you and I will agree on this part. I happen to ponder this possibility: The second death, the Lake of Fire, was prepared for angels not humanity... For angels the second death means an eternal suffering for they were created to be eternal beings. BUT, humanity was not created as eternal beings. Their souls were established but given a body formed of the elements of their environment. For them I think the death you describe was always a potential; yet, for some reason God choose to give them a second chance - salvation.

d.) So, what entails the second death for humanity who presently lives either in paradise or hell? I ponder that it is the point where the life of their identity returns to from where it came. It came for out of God as a gift and goes back into the essence of God from where it came. The death of man's body and soul does not rob God of anything ... He is eternal and all in all. Always whole whether he has allocated of his essence in order to create things and beings or whether he takes it all back. The Lake of Fire is the final and total separation from God for lost souls as having been created individuals.


Interesting though how Jesus understood something which would be a mystery to us. "He said let the dead bury their dead." I think he understood that those particular family members were destined to some day experience exactly what you described above - Physical death is the separation of body from soul. Spiritual death is the separation of creation from Creator.]

2.) Regarding your statement above: God the Son is the One who died on the cross. The Holy Spirit did not die. The Father did not die. I agree with this caveat - Jesus died the physical death. Jesus was God spiritually and was the LORD in appearance of flesh. God experienced the pain and suffering of physical death through the body of Jesus ...

3.) ... but as the incarnate Jesus, our God still existed as the promised Savior and as you stated - went elsewhere to preach to others after his physical death.

The entity we know as the individual called The WORD of God who was God, the Promised ONE, the LIGHT of the World, Emmanuel, the Savior will not experience the Second Death of eternal [total never ending] separation from God as an individual.

Praise our wise and merciful Creator for giving mankind our way for salvation. Who is MAN that thou art mindful of him? HE is God's perfect creation for bringing forth a righteous family unto HIM. Amen