REPORT: God's plan of salvation

marke

Well-known member
Hi Nick, I agree with you about the incident of Jonah, though not because it happened literally but because of Numbers 12:6. We read there instructions from HaShem with regards to His prophets. He said, "If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make Myself known to him in a vision and will speak to him in a vision. That's what happened to Jonah. He never even left his bedroom to take a sheep to Nineveh. It was all in a dream. To run away from his mission as a prophet, he went down to Joppa, took a ship to Tarshish to hide from the Lord. Once in the ship, he went down in the ship lay down and continued fast asleep while the dream proceed. When he woke up, he considered his dream and took God's will for granted as Nineveh was concerned. Then, he went one with his prophetic mission; went to Nineveh and Nineveh was saved. But, literally, he was never in the belly of the fish.
There is absolutely no basis for saying that Jonah did not spend three days in the fish when Jesus said he did.
 

marke

Well-known member
Have you ever seen the words elect and call in the Bible.


Have you read that all mankind is born dead to God and alive only to sin?
Spiritually dead.
What does dead mean to you?

Have you read John's speaking about the sheep?
John Ch 10:26, '..but you do not believe because you are not my sheep'.

Brother, read John Ch10 ,The Good Shepherd.

The Good Sherpherd calls his own sheep and then they follow him.
All sinners will be enlightened by the Holy Ghost at some point in their life (John 1:9) Those who believe and receive the light will be given the power to become the sons of God (John 1:12). Those who reject the light will be damned (John 3:19). God did not design hell for humans, but for the devil and his angels. God is not willing that any should perish (2 Peter 3:8-10), which is why God provided Jesus as a propitiation for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2), giving God the right to forgive sins of any and all who would come to Him for forgiveness and salvation.

The wicked who reject the light prove they are not among those God chose in Christ from the foundation of the world, but their condemnation is not a pre-determined judgment of God based upon His will alone without regard to their rejection of salvation. We know this because those who reject the light given them after birth and innocence will be rejected of God and have their names removed from the Lamb's Book of Life (Revelation 22:19).
 

marke

Well-known member
Whatever happened to the 'call of God'? God calls dead sinners to faith in Christ. God's calling is the missing truth in the plan of salvation today. Dead sinners cannot accept any gift from God. First God calls them to life (new birth) and out of this new birth they have faith in Christ. Only God's calling gives the glory to God for salvation, but the very popular 'accept Christ gospel' is the product of man's pride wanting to exalt his 'free choice'.
God first enlightens the lost sinner (John 1:9). Then those who receive the light are given the power to become the sons of God (John 1:12). Those who reject the light are condemned to hell.
 

Puppet

BANNED
Banned
I can't see my puppet strings but I can't see far enough to see who is tugging them.
Sweat drips down from them and it tastes like the sweet Jesus.
He must be saving me.
Praise Jesus He leads my "can't do not'in" wooden body.
 

Catholic Crusader

Kyrie Eleison
Banned
"Have you accepted God’s gift of salvation?"
The book to read:

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I have to second that motion. This is the book to read:

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wholearmor

Member
"The question is, 'Have you accepted God’s gift of salvation?' If you have, then you are free from the debt of sin...'

Actually, that is incorrect, the world was freed of its sin debt 2,000 years ago at the cross.
(2 Corinthians 5:19 KJB)
(19) To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

"Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."

That is also incorrect. That includes works (confessing with your mouth), and can be boasted about, so that shows Paul was writing to Israel, not the body of Christ.
(Ephesians 2:8-9 KJB)
(8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
(9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

By grace are ye saved, not by confessing with your mouth.
Grace and works are anathema.
 
The most important question that anyone will ever be required to answer in life is the same question that will determine the true quality to which that life can be lived for all eternity. The question is, "Have you accepted God’s gift of salvation?" The answer to this one question will determine eternity for you. The question is not, "Are you a good person?" or, "Do you go to church?" Or even, "Do you have a knowledge that Jesus Christ lived and died?" The question is, "Have you accepted God’s gift of salvation?" If you have, then you are free from the debt of sin and will enjoy eternity in a loving relationship with the God of all creation. If you decide not to accept God’s gift, then you will spend eternity burdened with the debt of your sin and all of its horrible consequences. God is a gentleman and will not force anyone to live with Him. He has given us the free choice to accept and love Him, or to reject and be apart from Him.

Who needs the gift
The Bible tells us that everyone is in need of God’s great mercy: Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

A price to be paid
The debt, or price of sin, is separation from God who is holy. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death…"

Payment in full
But God is loving and wants to have fellowship with His children. Like any good father, He does not want us to die. However, He is a just God and could not simply pretend that we had never sinned and allow us to go free without the debt being paid. So He made a way for us to come back into union with Him, and still maintain justice so that the debt is paid in full. God Himself paid our price, not with the wink of an eye, but with His own blood. Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Salvation
However, a gift, no matter how great and wonderful, is useless if it is not accepted. In order to benefit from God’s sacrifice for us, you must accept the gift. The Bible states: Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Putting it all together
The choice is as simple as it is vital. Humble yourself before God and admit that you are a sinner. Tell God that you realize that the price for your debt is death, but that you accept His gift and believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died for your (personal) sins. Tell Him that you believe that He raised Jesus from the dead, showing that you also will be raised. Then thank Him. What a wonderful Father. He made the entire universe, the billions of stars and planets and galaxies. He constructed the incredible complexity of the human brain. He holds all of creation together by the power of His spoken Word. That He would be willing to come to us, to be humbled and beaten and spit upon and even to suffer the death of the cross, for you and me, that is a God to love. A God to thank and to praise forever and ever. How wonderful is His name.
This is the part I still can't understand.

It is said in the Bible that sin is disobedience to God (His laws).

God send His son to die for our sins. And the gift is that if you repent of your sins and accept Jesus as the Messiah, then your sins have received pardon.

I read the story of the adulterer woman, to whom Jesus managed to avoid of being stoned. After the people left the place without throwing a stone on her, Jesus told her that no one is condemning her so is him, and said to her, "go and sin no more".

Jesus told her, go and don't break the law again.

So, when I accept the gift of God where my sins will be forgiven if I repent and accept Jesus as the Messiah, I am supposed not to commit sin anymore, in other words, to keep, to observe, to obey the Law of God. I guess this is necessary because if I commit sins again (breaking the Law of God again) then I am out of salvation again.

Is what I just said correct?
 

Ps82

Well-known member
I have enjoyed finding insight into God's plan of salvation. His plan has been brilliant from the start -of course ... fair ... and yet seeming like a bit of medicine we must take to bring it about. The medicine being that we must swallow our will, our pride, our propensity to judge and sin. We have fallen or missed the mark of God's perfection through one man's, Adam, sin. This was when God's pre-existing plan was ignited.

Without dwelling with many words here is what I see.
The invisible Spiritual God created an image for himself before the world was. He then created mankind after the likeness of that image. Colossians 1:15 describes how our Christ was the one who came, being God, to bare that mage, who was the firstborn of every creature. This almost smacks that God had plans for humanity perhaps before HE created angels. For God intended to make mankind after his own image and likeness and that image was the firstborn of EVERY CREATURE.

I wonder, though scripture does not tell us I don't think, that created mankind had something to do with Satan's rebellion. I wonder at times if we were not designed to be a trap for Satan ... but I cannot verify this.

Anyway, God formed man of the elements of our created realm called 'ground.' When humanity fell, God cursed those elements for man's sake. It allowed God to bring the first death to mankind, the physical body of humanity and then for the 'saved' to receive a new body. IOW, our spiritual essence could be born again.

Now to have that ability, God planned for an additional measure of 'life' from him to come to dwell in us. The story illustrating that process is the one of The Woman at the Well. It is Christ who can provide that extra measure of life unto believer.

God has given of his spirit without being measured (John 3:34-36) and verse 36 tells us we must believe that the son who has this everlasting life to give. I'll add: Our hearts must be honest, sincere and our faith like a child's. IOW, we make Christ our Lord over us ... and deny our own rebellious will. I always add: With the help of the Holy Spirit which seals us unto the revelations of our appearing as saints in our Lord's kingdom. This is the culmination of salvation of the saints.

Of course, being a fair, Our creator does allow free will and will allow people to not choose him but by not choosing him as our Lord the wrath of God will still be upon them. (John 3:36) This is where the second death for mankind comes in. It is in the Lake of Fire where Satan meets the same fate as lost humanity. Now, this shows how God is a fair judge to men and angels who reject him as their Lord and God.

The struggles of the saints are: to face the results of mortality while trusting in God's plan of salvation; to resist temptation through our bodies in this world; to face the opponents of Christ in this world.
 

Right Divider

Body part
I have enjoyed finding insight into God's plan of salvation.
The word "salvation" does not always have the same meaning in all of scripture.

For Israel, salvation was the kingdom on earth. That's what Peter is talking about in 1 Peter 1:3-12

That's also what Zacharias is talking about in Luke 1:67-75

Without dwelling with many words here is what I see.
The invisible Spiritual God created an image for himself before the world was. He then created mankind after the likeness of that image. Colossians 1:15 describes how our Christ was the one who came, being God, to bare that mage, who was the firstborn of every creature. This almost smacks that God had plans for humanity perhaps before HE created angels. For God intended to make mankind after his own image and likeness and that image was the firstborn of EVERY CREATURE.
You have a very confused notion of what the "image of God" is. That term is a FIGURE OF SPEECH and not a literal "image" (as in something to see with your eyes).
 
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