So why does Revelation 5:9-10 say: "For You were slain and have redeemed us to God by Your blood out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation and have made us kings and priests to our God and we shall reign on the earth."
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So why does Revelation 5:9-10 say: "For You were slain and have redeemed us to God by Your blood out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation and have made us kings and priests to our God and we shall reign on the earth."
Everyone was redeemed, living and dead, and those to come. However, it must be claimed, and they did not come to know Christ. Now because they were chosen by God, they will be offered a chance to choose Christ, the second chance, in the time of tribulations.
Nooo nooo nooooo....get it right 
There is church, which includes ALL OT saints and NT saints US, WE will come from the east and the west and sit at table with Abe, Ike and Jake.
We have become FELLOW citizens of THEIR commonwealth and CO-HEIRS and partakers of their promises yet without having to obey the law but through Christ.
THEN
There is Israel, the seed of Abe. This is ethnic Israel which we see being gathered to their land, THEY are the ones to who the land is promised.
Abe was told 2 things to look at the stars, impossible to number this is the heavenly calling. Then he was shown the sand of the seashore, also impossible to number, that is the land promised to his seed. He believed God and it was recked to him as righteousness.
So we have the spiritual Jew [to who we are joined through Christ] and the earthly Jew. Quite distinct from Spiritual Israel.
Then we have a THIRD people represented by the righteous sheep at the last judgement.
These are the meek who will inherit the earth [the new earth] with the Jews.
Then there are the wicked who will be turned into hell.
So you see it is a MINORITY of mankind who will be damned, not the overwhelming mass
There is church, which includes ALL OT saints and NT saints US, WE will come from the east and the west and sit at table with Abe, Ike and Jake.
We have become FELLOW citizens of THEIR commonwealth and CO-HEIRS and partakers of their promises yet without having to obey the law but through Christ.
THEN
There is Israel, the seed of Abe. This is ethnic Israel which we see being gathered to their land, THEY are the ones to who the land is promised.
Abe was told 2 things to look at the stars, impossible to number this is the heavenly calling. Then he was shown the sand of the seashore, also impossible to number, that is the land promised to his seed. He believed God and it was recked to him as righteousness.
So we have the spiritual Jew [to who we are joined through Christ] and the earthly Jew. Quite distinct from Spiritual Israel.
Then we have a THIRD people represented by the righteous sheep at the last judgement.
These are the meek who will inherit the earth [the new earth] with the Jews.
Then there are the wicked who will be turned into hell.
So you see it is a MINORITY of mankind who will be damned, not the overwhelming mass
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A second chance? Why?
Does everyone get a second chance? If not then why do they get a second chance?
I agree.
Only God's chosen people get a second chance. This includes all Jews, ethnic, or Jewish by faith. The reason why? God keeps his word; He promised Israel, He would keep His covenant with Israel.
Quite so, binding and certain to come to pass
Does he keep the same covenant with the Israel of God?
I do not know what you mean? God of Israel?
I didn't ask about the God of Israel, I asked about the Israel of God.
And as many as walk according to this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God. (Galatians 6:16)
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Historical Christian Teaching
3. All earthly promises to Israel have been either fulfilled or invalidated through disobedience and unbelief.
Dispensationalist Teaching
3. God's promises concerning the return to the land, rebuilding the temple, etc., were never fulfilled. They are therefore still future.
This passage shows God has no problem reversing certain promises that He makes.
Please notice that the promises are only ones concerning a nation and a kingdom, not promises to individuals.
Is the Historical Christian teaching correct?
Did God completely abandon the children of Israel as a nation because of their refusal to repent?
No, because God will remember the covenant was made with individuals, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
At this time, Israel is not completely rejected, but only blinded until the end of the time of the Gentiles.
The Dispensationalist teaching on this is true, God's promises concerning the return to the land, rebuilding the temple, etc., were never fulfilled. They are therefore still future.
3. All earthly promises to Israel have been either fulfilled or invalidated through disobedience and unbelief.
Dispensationalist Teaching
3. God's promises concerning the return to the land, rebuilding the temple, etc., were never fulfilled. They are therefore still future.
This passage shows God has no problem reversing certain promises that He makes.
Please notice that the promises are only ones concerning a nation and a kingdom, not promises to individuals.
Jeremiah 18:7-10 7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. 9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them. |
Is the Historical Christian teaching correct?
Did God completely abandon the children of Israel as a nation because of their refusal to repent?
No, because God will remember the covenant was made with individuals, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
Leviticus 26:42-45 42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land. 43 The land also shall be left of them, and shall enjoy her sabbaths, while she lieth desolate without them: and they shall accept of the punishment of their iniquity: because, even because they despised my judgments, and because their soul abhorred my statutes. 44 And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the Lord their God. 45 But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the Lord. |
At this time, Israel is not completely rejected, but only blinded until the end of the time of the Gentiles.
Romans 11:25 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
The Dispensationalist teaching on this is true, God's promises concerning the return to the land, rebuilding the temple, etc., were never fulfilled. They are therefore still future.