I looked it up. I do not understand the definition. I, therefore, plead for forgiveness due to my ignorance.
Religious Zealotry
- Thread starter PureX
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How about if you come back some time with valid answers and information from God. Apart from answers, questions are maningless.
Right Divider
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"The genetic fallacy (also known as the fallacy of origins or fallacy of virtue)[1] is a fallacy of irrelevance that is based solely on someone's or something's history, origin, or source rather than its current meaning or context."
PureX
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I don't pretend to know what God thinks so that I can excuse myself from doing my own thinking. God seems to have given us a brain, and the freedom to use it without the interference of others, so in appreciation of that gift, I do try to use it.
Sorry if that offends you.
That's the thing, you don't HAVE to pretend to know what He thinks. You can actually KNOW, because He has given us His word.
Doing your own thinking does not excuse you from trying to find out what God thinks.
Not just "seems to." He actually did give us a brain.
But you apparently don't try to use it to understand what God says.
Stupidity offends me, since it's evidence of a greater problem.
Stupid doesn't make you sin but sin makes you stupid.
PureX
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So you have convinced yourself. But look, now, at what you're doing with that presumption. It's why I don't believe you do know.
That's exactly the kind of arrogance that caused Adam and Eve's fall. They, too, wanted to be God's equals. To possess God's knowledge of good and evil. To be divine as God is divine and to stand in judgment of all they surveyed.
God's ways are not for me to understand. I am not His equal. I was not created to try and be His equal. I was created to be what I am. A humble human, given the many gifts of His divine spirit: love, forgiveness, kindness, and generosity. I don't pretend men's words are God's words so I can presume men's minds can hold God's mind.
It looks to me like what offends you most is anyone disagreeing with you. This kind of arrogance is not a gift of God's divine spirit. It's just the result of too much human ego. Of pretending that your mind and God's mind are one and the same.
Humans do not possess the knowledge of good and evil. We did not steal from God what God had forbidden us. What we do have, though, is God's divine spirit within us (thanks to the advent of Christ). And if we will allow ourselves to become the human embodiment of that spirit within, we can fulfill our place in God's creation. As God intended.
We aren't here to know God. Or to judge all we survey. We're here to love, and forgive, and appreciate, and share. That's the Eden we lost when we chose to chase after God's knowledge. And it's the Eden we still lose, today, as we still try to become gods, ourselves.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
Are you asserting that the Bible is not God's word?
You claim to not know anything for certain. Why should your opinion matter here?
Straw man. Not what I'm arguing.
I'm talking about listening to what God is saying in His word, AKA the Bible.
Teach me Your way, O Lord; I will walk in Your truth; Unite my heart to fear Your name. - Psalm 86:11 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm86:11&version=NKJV
How precious also are Your thoughts to me, O God! How great is the sum of them!If I should count them, they would be more in number than the sand; When I awake, I am still with You. - Psalm 139:17-18 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm139:17-18&version=NKJV
Duh.
Duh.
You should be more like David.
You don't act very humble.
Do you reject that the Bible is God's word? If so, that explains everything you've said so far.
If not, then what's your point? Because I'm not talking about "men's words." I'm talking about scripture!
False.
Where have I done so?
The "knowledge of good and evil" is just another way of saying "law," PureX.
The law is the knowledge of good and evil.
Whatever that means...
Some of us do, at least.
That sounds like new age nonsense.
If you don't know God, then you can't be in a relationship with Him. Those who do not know Him cannot obey Him.
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers,backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. - Romans 1:28-32 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans1:28-32&version=NKJV
Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.” - John 7:24 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John7:24&version=NKJV
Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?If then you have judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge?I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you, not even one, who will be able to judge between his brethren? - 1 Corinthians 6:2-5 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Corinthians6:2-5&version=NKJV
God IS love.
Only when the person who has wronged you has repented.
Whatever that means...
More new age nonsense.
If I were to put anyone to death it would be murder. That isn't the question and you know it. It doesn't have anything to do with what is being discussed at all. It is the governing official that doesn't "bare the sword in vain" (Romans 13:4) not regular civilians like you and me.
Why are you being so evasive? Are you ashamed of God's righteousness? Are you afraid to advocate justice?
The proof that God exists is literally everywhere. Those who don't see it, don't want to see and and refuse to be shown.
And I'm not the least bit concerned about your personal opinions about me. The fact is that I do HATE homosexuals, and proudly so! Hatred toward those who willfully destroy themselves as well as the very fabric of the society in which they are allowed to persist (which results in the harm and premature death of countless others) is the most loving thing a righteous man can do.
You say their behavior is non-violent but that's because you believe the propaganda. Homosexuals wouldn't exist (practically) if it weren't for prolonged sexual assault of young children. Is that violent enough for you? Not that your opinion counts for anything. God does not need your understanding nor does He ask your permission. God and I both laugh together at your idiotically baseless standard of justice.
Clete
In other words, the term racism once meant unjustified white animosity towards blacks. Now the term as used by leftists means anything that is not fully on board with black or leftist ideology, design, and propaganda.
You miss my intended meaning. I agree with the death penalty but if a murderer murders my family, for example, I am not ordered by God to put the murderer to death, humanity is. If the ruling governmental powers do not put the murderer to death it would be a sin for me to put the murderer to death myself. God has condemned homosexuals but He has not authorized me to put them to death.
PureX
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The Bible is a collection of texts written, edited, and assembled by men. Everyone knows this.
Are you asking me if I believe that God somehow made those men magically inerrant in their understanding of God's mind and will? The answer is no, I don't. Simply because there are so many different versions and interpretations of those texts, and there is clearly so much all-too-human bigotry and violence involved in it. Besides, if God were making the Bible magically inerrant, every translation would say exactly the same thing. And why would God bother when every person that reads it will come away with a different understanding of what it means, anyway. What's the point of giving an inerrant text to errant readers?
But those aren't the main reasons why I don't accept the "inerrant Bible theory". The real reason is that such a belief makes the adherant's faith weak, and totally dependent upon an unreasonable and unrealistic presumption of external authority. Without their inerrant Bible, the "believer" has no God at all. As the Bible has become his God, and he has rejected any and all other avenues of association.
Why do you need certainty so badly? Are you that afraid to be wrong? Faith is not about certainty. Faith is about choosing to follow an ideal in the face of it's UN-certainty.
God isn't saying anything in the Bible. There's nothing in the Bible but a bunch of words. If God is awakening your mind and heart when you read the Bible it's because God is in your heart and mind, already. Not because God is "in the Bible". The book is just a book. The words on the pages are just words on pages. God didn't arrange them and put them there, people did. God is in your heart. The book just happened to help you recognize it. But lots of things can do that for you. God's truth could be found in anything if we're open to it.
Written by men that did not have the benefit of Christ. And so did not understand that they had God's spirit already within them.
Laws are for people who have no faith in God's divine spirit within them, and so need some external authority to tell them how to think and behave all the time. Sadly, these men of weak faith then try to impose their authorities on those who don't need them. Creating impediments and stumbling blocks to way of the spirit.
And love is a many-splendored thing. A flower with many petals: forgiveness, kindness, respect, generosity, all given freely, and without the expectation of return. Follow the spirit of love, within, and law becomes irrelevant.
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God inspired men to write and preserve the Bible. Christians who know the mind of God as revealed in the word of God know that.
PureX
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That may well be so. But it does not make the Bible or those who read it inerrant. God inspires us in many ways and in many things, but we remain fallable humans, nevertheless.
They may believe they know the mind of God, but believing doesn't make it so. And if they were to be honest and reasonable about it with themselves, they would admit that it's not very likely that they could know the mind of God, for a whole host of reasons. But unfortunately for them, their whole theology and self-identity is built on this arrogant and unreasonable presumption, so they cannot allow themselves to contemplate how unlikely and unreasonable it actually is. And this drives them apart from their fellow humans.
Right Divider
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So why is your opinion of any help?
annabenedetti
like marbles on glass
His opinions are thoughtful and interesting. You don't have to read them if you don't want to.
Right Divider
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I was specifically talking about his options on "what God thinks" without the Bible.
That you find his "opinions thoughtful and interesting" is a check mark against you.
PureX
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What do you need help with? God's divine spirit is within you. It always has been. Just relax and let it guide your interactions with the world. We don't need to know what God thinks.
annabenedetti
like marbles on glass
Again, his opinions are thoughtful and interesting. You don't own the market on thoughtful and interesting, that's for sure.
