beloved57
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You teach a false christ, one that failed to save them he came to save.
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RELIGION: Man's spiritual preoccupation with himself, who is a sinner.
- Thread starter Robert Pate
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Jesus didn't fail.
By his mighty work he defeated sin, death and the devil, Colossians 2:15.
So that now... "WHOSOEVER that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.
But there are many like yourself that won't call on Christ to save them and are doomed to eternal damnation.
Nanja
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So what you are saying is that Christ alone didn't defeat death for those He died for,
but that it's contingent upon the works a man does that determines his eternal destiny.
You are a preacher of a false gospel which Paul warned about in Gal. 1:8-9!
You are cursed Jude 1:4!
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beloved57
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You teach that Jesus failed, in that people He died for wind up in hell anyways, dying in their sins in unbelief. That contradicts the Saving death of Christ, it's antichrist!
beloved57
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You are exactly right ! He teaches that people Christ shed His Blood for will still die in their sins in unbelief.
Nanja
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Yes, Pate blasphemes God and demeans the efficaciousness of the Blood of Christ all the time; he's doing the work of his father John 8:44!
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beloved57
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Jesus atoned for the sins of everyone, Hebrews 2:9.
So that, "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.
Unfortunately, there are some like yourself that want to be saved by another Gospel.
You have rejected God's great free offer of reconciliation and in doing so have sentenced yourself to eternal damnation.
Nanja
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Christ's Atonement was never a free offer to all of humanity to accept or reject, that's a lie of the devil; and again you demean and diminish the efficaciousness of the Blood of Christ to save all for whom it was shed: The Election of Grace given Him of the Father John 17:9; Eph.1:4-5.
And only when an Elect of God is Born of the Spirit, quickened Ps. 80:18, he shall call upon the name of the Lord in a way which pleases Him because Faith, a Fruit of the Spirit given in New Birth, pleases God Heb. 11:6, thus every one of them shall be Saved.
Contrarily, the calling upon the name of the Lord that an unregenerate does to get himself saved is just another filthy work of the flesh Eph. 2:9 that cannot please God Rom. 8:8.
Is. 64:6-7
6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
7 And there is none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities.
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You are in denial of the "Historical Gospel" of Jesus Christ and justification by faith.
Calvinism is another Gospel and is a false Gospel. It does not promote faith in Christ and is anti-Christ.
To bad that you will have to find this out in the judgment.
Ben Masada
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Sorry Robert, but "That the Jesus of the Scriptures has already provided salvation for the whole world" has been the most stupid statement I have ever heard. What you are conveying is that no matter the millions of Jews murdered by Christianity throughout History by means of pogroms, blood libels, Crusades, Inquisition and the Holocaust, their salvation was already guaranteed. Only anti-Semites agree and enjoy such a statement.
Nanja
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More lies of the devil John 8:44!
I shall see you, and condemn you, at the Judgment, Pate 1 Cor. 6:2a.
Is 54:17
No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.
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Calvinism does not save. Where did you get the idea that if you believed in Calvinism it would save you? You have not been predestinated. God is just and righteous in all that he does. Predestination makes God unjust. You are outside of the faith that was delivered to us by the prophets and the apostles, which means that you are a heretic.
Nanja
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More lies of the devil John 8:44!
It is Christ Jesus that Saves all the Election of Grace chosen in Him Eph. 1:4-11, their Covenant Head and Surety Heb. 7:22 before the foundation of the World!
Yes, all of the Election of Grace that were Chosen in Christ were also predestinated to an Eternal Inheritance:
That's Eternal Salvation!
God's Word explicitly confirms it Eph. 1:4-5; 11; Rom. 8:29-30. For Justification is Salvation!
It's impossible for anything which God's Word says He has done to make Him unjust.
More lies of the devil !
When you say "outside of the faith", what you are saying is that it means outside of the false doctrine of freewillism, which you and false religion assents to and believes in as being instrumental to receiving salvation, which is totally false: a doctrine of devils 1 Tim. 4:1!
However, according to God's Word, Faith is a Fruit of the Spirit given in New Birth Gal. 5:22, which I know from reading your posts over the last three years, that you have been given no spiritual understanding of!
So now, it is absolutely confirmed that it is YOU which is the heretic!
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You are a scripture twister. You try to twist scripture to fit your phony Calvinist doctrine.
There are some scriptures that you cannot twist, here is one of them.
"God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their sins unto them" 2 Corinthians 5:19.
Answer this question. If God has already reconciled the world unto himself by Jesus Christ then why would anyone need to be predestinated?
You didn't answer this last time and I doubt if you will answer it this time.
Nanja
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God, according to His Will and Purpose in Christ Eph. 3:11, predestinated an Elect World to have remission / forgiveness of sins Eph 1:4-7; Rom. 8:33 according to the riches of His Grace; the same World that God Loved John 3:16 and gave His Son for, and the same Blessed World that God reconciled to Himself 2 Cor. 5:19, not imputing any sin to them, but to Christ their Surety Heb. 7:22 in their stead Is. 53:6; Rom. 4:8. Non-imputation of sin is Justification / Salvation: Eternal Life!
And it's same World here:
Rom. 5:10
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Rom. 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Yet, we know from other scriptures, that there is also a world that was not predestinated to have remission / forgiveness of sins, for they shall bare their own iniquity Rom. 6:23a: A condemned world John 3:18; Jude 1:4 which shall forever remain under God's wrath John 3:36; John 10:26, and shall go into the second death Mat. 25:41; Rev. 21:8!
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beloved57
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That question has been answered by me to you several times, so why have you not saved it ?
God simply does what He does. He predestined some Eph1 and He reconciled some 2Cor 5. The issue is your unbelief. You teach salvation by works, by what a person does, nullifying the work of the Cross.
beloved57
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He's not really interested in the Truth, those questions are nothing but smoke screens in his unbelief and resisting the Truth.
Nanja
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TY Brother, you're absolutely right
I know Pate's antics and foul intent well; and that he's lost and blinded to the Truth.
Yet, it may be that the message I was led to deliver may be intended not only for him but another reader according to God's Will 2 Cor. 2:15-16.
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beloved57
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I understand.TY Brother, you're absolutely right
I know Pate's antics and foul intent well; and that he's lost and blinded to the Truth.
Yet, it may be that the message I was led to deliver may be intended not only for him but another reader according to God's Will 2 Cor. 2:15-16.
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