do you really want me to answer all of this stuff you submitted in one post....much too long for people read and comprehend....
Don't be lazy and use the quote function.
Also, your post is way more of a wall of text than mine is, so you don't get to complain.
I will give you one hole you fell into..The 1st calendar in your post. Passover is correct! Grey(night) White (Day)from 6p in the dark to 6 pm in the white. You placed His crucifixion correctly at the 9th hour....
You said:"You have four days and three nights instead of three days and three nights, not to mention the fact that Jesus ROSE on the THIRD DAY, NOT the fourth!! Your view has Jesus rising on the fourth day!"
You seem to be completely ignoring the day between 3pm and 6pm on Passover. He didn't die at the start of the new weekday. He died BEFORE the start of the new weekday, thus the clock starts ON passover, not on the feast of unleavened bread.
If you look at the nights and days, there are 3 nights: Rem, Passover ended at 6p, 3 hours after He was crucified. So begins Thursday, 15th, B/W...one night-one day; at 6pm Thursday, Friday begins, 16th, B/W,,,second night, second day; at 6pm of Friday, the Sabbath (Saturday) began and ended at 6pm Sat..B/W ....3rd night and day.
Saturday 6pm is the end of third day and the start of fourth. Thursday + Friday + Saturday = three days, ending at 3pm start of fourth day at 3pm, which invalidates your position as Jesus rose on the third day:
Multiple scriptures and Jesus Himself say Jesus rose or would rise on the third day, even before He was crucified
Genesis 22:4 (typology)
Hosea 6:2
Matthew 17:23
Matthew 20:19
Matthew 27:64
Mark 9:31
Mark 10:34
Luke 9:22
Luke 13:32-33
Luke 18:33
Luke 24:7
Luke 24:46
Acts 10:40
1 Corinthians 15:4
"After three days" still works (on my view) because 3pm Thursday is still during the daylight hours, Friday 3pm is the start of second day, 3pm Saturday is start of third day, and 6am Sunday morning is "on the third day" and "after three days"; this doesn't work on your view. More accurately, your position is 3 days and 4 nights.
At 6pm was Sunday and Jesus arose at some time between 6pm and 6am when they found the stone had been rolled away. three full nights and 3 full days.
Nowhere does the Bible ever require three full days, in fact, it says specifically that Jesus rose "on the third day"; on the fourth day contradicts scripture: your position has Him rising on the fourth day, therefore you are wrong. It's literally that clear-cut.
you finally said:".....not to mention the fact that Jesus ROSE on the THIRD DAY, NOT the fourth!! Your view has Jesus rising on the fourth day!"
I understand that there are many verses in the Bible that state He arose on the third day. (Luke 24:21, 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4,), See also John 2:19, which reads: “...Destroy this temple, and in three days, I will raise it up.”.
Then let God be true, and you be the liar.
God's word is true. Your position contradicts God's word. That makes you wrong.
Yet there is many verse that tell He arose on Sunday
Then you should agree with it that He rose on Sunday, sometime before dawn.
Let scripture say what it says, stop trying to twist it to fit your personal interpretation.
or "the following day" or "after three days".
Quote the scripture. Let's see what it says.
Here are three within the very gospels of Jesus Christ that tell us: "Jesus arose on the first day of the week, Sunday (Matthew 28:1-6; Mark 16:9; Luke 24:1-6).
At best, these verses do not contradict your position.
But they don't affirm your claim that Christ was crucified on Wednesday.
There are many more verses that support both sides.
There are ZERO verses that affirm your position.
Why God permitted these to be written in the Bible, I do not know and neither do you.
That's a cop out and you know it. You clearly recognize that your position doesn't hold water and are looking for an excuse to justify your irrational belief.
God wrote the Bible intentionally. Everything it says is intentional.
It's not hard to figure out why something was written. You just have to look at the context.
If the Bible says that God rose on the third day, then you should not try to work around the Bible to try and fit your position that He actually rose on the fourth day into the Bible.
We do know that Jesus was resurrected on Sunday after 6pm....which as you say is the fourth day.
Thanks for conceding that you're wrong.
So Jesus arose from the grave sometime between Saturday 6 pm to Sunday 6AM..Rem, Sat before 6 PM was still considered to be the sabbath and if Jesus would not break the laws of GOD to travel from Bethany to Jerusalem on a Sabbath 9 says before His resurrection would God (the Father) now break the Law to have Jesus arise during the Sabbath of that weeks end.
I'm not sure what your fascination with this is, but again, Bethany is literally less than 3 hours away by foot, and it said Jesus ARRIVED in Jerusalem on Sunday. He could easily have arrived in Bethany on Friday, stayed Saturday, and left on Sunday. Six days before Thursday (Passover) is Friday.
As for John 12:12: "The next day" is Sunday, because if you look at verse 2, it says "they made Him a supper." As in, dinner. Meaning it was the end of the day. The next day would have been the Sabbath. Verses 9-11 ocur on Saturday. Verse 12 "The next day" is Sunday.
On your last picture you count Sunday as being 4 days, yet deny that He arose on the third day.
This is literal stupidity on your part. If Sunday is the fourth day, then it cannot by definition be the third day that Jesus rose upon. That alone disproves your entire position, Blade. I deny that Sunday was "the fourth day." The Bible says Jesus rose on Sunday, the first day of the week. It also says that Jesus rose on the THIRD DAY. Therefore ANY POSITION, such as yours, that states that there was MORE THAN 72 HOURS between the time of his death, and the time that He rose from the dead, IS WRONG! Your position has Jesus dead for around 89 hours. That's MORE than three days and three nights, no matter how you look at it! Isaac was not dead to Abraham more than three days and three nights. Jonah was not in the fish for more than three days and three nights. Jesus was not in the tomb for more than three days and three nights.
From the info I have given you and I really suggest you read "The Coming Prince" if you have not already have read it to help you understand these things..
Look, if you can't defend your position on such a foundational doctrine of Christianity without resorting to external materials, then maybe your position does not have a very good foundation, and you should reexamine your premises.
You and I are so close to each other in their interpretation of the facts that somewhat support both sides. Again, Why God allow this to happen instead of inspiring it to be only one way, I do not know. for we cannot not know His mind or thoughts.
Thanks for your reply and the conversation.....
Blessings
We're not "close" at all.
Your position is wrong, because it contradicts scripture. Period. End of story.
My position may not be correct, but at the very least, it takes ALL of what scripture says into account, and does not, at least not blatantly, contradict Scripture.
Rem, the Jews have been partially blinded by Jesus for exactly this reason...They using the Oral Tunakh are seeing what God wants them to see. Out of these will come the final remnant of Israel.
I'm not seeing how any of this is relevant to our discussion.
You sad:"because it has the Passover followed by a high sabbath followed by a normal day followed by the weekly sabbath followed by Sunday.
We know the High Sabbath followed the Passover from scripture. "The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.".(John 19:31)
This literally proves my position, and disproves yours.
The Preparation day was for the High Sabbath and the following 7 days. Most Jews thought nothing of Jesus' death as they like their leaders had Him killed. They could not leave Jesus on the Cross during this day.
The primary reason is that leaving his body on the cross overnight would violate the commandment to not leave any dead body "hanging on a tree" overnight (another foreshadowing verse for the cross), in Deuteronomy 21:22-23. The fact that it was a high sabbath only further emphasized the need (in their mind) to take him down before nightfall, because it would be considered work, and they couldn't do any of the work required for preparing a body on ANY sabbath day, weekly or related to the yearly feasts.
the day following Wednesday.
This is begging the question.
With two sabbaths together would also be a problem
Again: Saying it doesn't make it so.
It would have happened plenty of times before this, and has happened plenty of times since then, where a Sabbath and a High Sabbath occur on consecutive days.
And it just so happens that AD 30 has consecutive sabbaton after 14 Nisan, and before the Feast of Firstfruits.
You CANNOT DENY THIS.
for God has told them to prepare food in advance for one 24 hr period (Day) to cover the weekly Sabbaths.
Book, chapter, verse, and point ouut where it says they cannot prepare more than what is only absolutely necessary.
This also went for the High Sabbaths as well..In fact there is no instructions on what to do for two Sabbaths back to back in the bible.
Question: Is it possible that God expected His people to be aware of the possibility that there might be a feast sabbath and a weekly sabbath on consecutive days, and for them to prepare accordingly?
32AD actually has the Sunday 10th, and Wednesday 14th, the 15th, the 17th and Resurection day 18th in perfect order...look again to the calendars I posted,
Thanks again for the conversation...I enjoy it.
Again, your position has Jesus in the grave for longer than 72 hours, thus having Him rise on the fourth day, not the third, like Scripture says. Your entire position fails on that alone.
And that's not even getting into the dates themselves. Not once have you referenced Leviticus 23 which spells out EXACTLY the right order of events that God used for the timing of the resurrection.
The 14th is ALWAYS the Passover.
The 15th is ALWAYS the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which is a day of rest.
The first day after the Sabbath (NOT referring to the Feast of Unleavened Bread!!!) is ALWAYS the start of the Feast of Firstfruits, meaning it ALWAYS falls on a Sunday, regardless of what the date is.
Your above is just confirmation bias. You see "oh, hey, that lines up like I think it should, so it must be right," but what you've failed to realize is that it works regardless of what day of the week Passover falls upon, and thus you think that it cannot be any other year, because yours "works."
But again, the problem is that it doesn't work at all concerning the events surrounding Jesus' death, because of the fact that Jesus was dead for three days and three nights, and rose on the third day, and that Jesus arrived in Bethany on a Friday, which is six days before the Passover, which is on a Thursday, thus the Last Supper and Judas's betrayal was Thursday Evening (what we call "Wednesday night"), Peter's denial was around 3 am, Christ is put on trial Thursday Morning, crucified by 9 am, dies by 3 pm, is buried by 6 pm, and is is the grave until Sunday morning, with the tombstone being rolled away by 6 am. Total time in the grave is only 60 hours, plus the 3 hours from the moment He died to the time of His burial, which is well under the 72 hour limit.