Rebuttal of the dreadful doctrine of reprobation

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Crucible said:
The 'issues' aren't valid, and it is apparent that you all don't even really understand Calvinism. You all are pretty much just rebutting whatever you think Calvinism is or want to be.
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Just throw it out there and run...

....when are you going to actually make a valid point that you can substantiate?
 
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Crucible said:
The 'issues' aren't valid, and it is apparent that you all don't even really understand Calvinism. You all are pretty much just rebutting whatever you think Calvinism is or want to be.
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Hyper Calvinism is what?
Moderate Calvinism is what?


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Sonnet said:
Just throw it out there and run...

....when are you going to actually make a valid point that you can substantiate?
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It is a valid point. The only one that needs to be made, actually- I've shown a number a times to a few of you that you don't understand Calvinism very well, that you all are just afraid of predestination, in it's full blossom, within God's providence and sovereignty.

You all instead start talking nonsense- that we are 'robots', that God authored sin, or that a person is blameless in their own damnation.
These are all faulty rebuttals that show little more than a vast misunderstanding of Calvinism.
 
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lifeisgood said:
How many people do you know using words such as synergism, synergistically, monergist, perichoresis, etc. to talk about God outside of your own group of friends?

Anyone who uses words such as synergism, synergistically, monergist, perichoresis, etc. to talk about God's love, justice, righteousness, etc., is simply showing his/her own flesh, IMHO.
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This is a characterization in hopes of supporting your point, but it fails to make your point.

When you visit an auto mechanic and he starts to describe how the valve seals on your engine have failed and need replacing, your eyes may glaze over for all you know is that your engine spews out blue smoke each morning when you start it up and you want to know why and how much to fix it.

Theological discourse is pregnant with specialized words that have been adopted and carry meaning for the community using them. Yes, we can spend lots of time describing this or that, never knowing that actual words carry the entire description and may be more useful among those that are familiar with them. So it all depends upon context. Given that you are participating in a theological discussion, it pays dividends to become familiar with the common terminology and their meanings such that the discussion can move forward. Just because someone uses specialized words does not give warrant to complain, especially if you have not taken the time to ask for clarification or took it upon yourself to dig a wee bit deeper to learn new words and concepts.

The next time you run across and unfamiliar term, bookmark these sites and see if you can find something explaining things to you:
http://www.studylight.org/encyclopedias/isb/
http://www.theopedia.com/

AMR
 
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Crucible said:
It is a valid point. The only one that needs to be made, actually- I've shown a number a times to a few of you that you don't understand Calvinism very well, that you all are just afraid of predestination, in it's full blossom, within God's providence and sovereignty.

You all instead start talking nonsense- that we are 'robots', that God authored sin, or that a person is blameless in their own damnation.
These are all faulty rebuttals that show little more than a vast misunderstanding of Calvinism.
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You might consider that when say you are robots a better label might be "mannequin".
 
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Ask Mr. Religion said:
This is a characterization in hopes of supporting your point, but it fails to make your point.

When you visit an auto mechanic and he starts to describe how the valve seals on your engine have failed and need replacing, your eyes may glaze over for all you know is that your engine spews out blue smoke each morning when you start it up and you want to know why and how much to fix it.

Theological discourse is pregnant with specialized words that have been adopted and carry meaning for the community using them. Yes, we can spend lots of time describing this or that, never knowing that actual words carry the entire description and may be more useful among those that are familiar with them. So it all depends upon context. Given that you are participating in a theological discussion, it pays dividends to become familiar with the common terminology and their meanings such that the discussion can move forward. Just because someone uses specialized words does not give warrant to complain, especially if you have not taken the time to ask for clarification or took it upon yourself to dig a wee bit deeper to learn new words and concepts.

The next time you run across and unfamiliar term, bookmark these sites and see if you can find something explaining things to you:
http://www.studylight.org/encyclopedias/isb/
http://www.theopedia.com/

AMR
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Not much else to say, eh, AMR?
 
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Crucible said:
Arminius was a student of Calvin. They all were- they condemned Saint Augustine's theology as being part of his Stoicism, and that since Calvin's theology was built on him, that it was all false doctrine.

A bunch of morons is what they are- they reproached the most important theologian who ever lived to run off to the hills spreading heresy- so called 'protestant' churches who teach free will are largely the most heretical churches that exist.
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Who declared that who wasn't of Calvin, who was of Augustine? And why should they be believed when calling anyone a heretic?
 
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